What's the best song Snoop ever did on a No Limit album before Top Dogg?

[TraceOneInfinite]

yeah man I was so hyped for that 1st No Limit album after I heard "Hooked"

Soopafly also did "Hoez Money and Clout" that was on the Da Game is to be sold album

the album sold well but other than a few tracks it was all Beats By The Pound production

Beats by the Pound were the McDonalds of production.  They sold well, and the hamburgers tasted good, but no nutritional value actually.  P just had them in there turning out album after album, Snoop's Da Game album was done in 2 weeks.  They just sent him in there like a factory.

...now I know someone is gonna come on here and try to say that Dre said "the B Side of Doggystyle was done in 2 nights with a bottle of Hennessey".  Yeah sure, maybe some tracks were recorded in a couple nights.  But the time it took to produce and mix those tracks was probably a lot longer.  And I'm sure the A side was at Dre's usual slow and perfected pace.

[HighEyeCue]

Beats by the Pound were the No Limit of production.  They sold well, and the hamburgers tasted good, but no nutritional value actually.  P just had them in there turning out album after album, Snoop's Da Game album was done in 2 weeks.  They just sent him in there like a factory.

...now I know someone is gonna come on here and try to say that Dre said "the B Side of Doggystyle was done in 2 nights with a bottle of Hennessey".  Yeah sure, maybe some tracks were recorded in a couple nights.  But the time it took to produce and mix those tracks was probably a lot longer.  And I'm sure the A side was at Dre's usual slow and perfected pace.

I remember reading that in the Source. 2 weeks to do an album was crazy but kind of the protocol No Limit was using to put out albums every other week or so

it takes a unique artist like Pac with an unmatched work ethic to record quality music in like a 2 week span

Snoop didnt fit this criteria and Beats By The Pound with their cookie cutter beats as well

[Sccit]

I remember reading that in the Source. 2 weeks to do an album was crazy but kind of the protocol No Limit was using to put out albums every other week or so

it takes a unique artist like Pac with an unmatched work ethic to record quality music in like a 2 week span

Snoop didnt fit this criteria and Beats By The Pound with their cookie cutter beats as well

beats by the pound said they didn’t mix tracks because most cats in the hood only had one working speaker lol

they would just slap the vocals on the beat n send it in for mastering witout touching it up .. which isn’t hard to tell because no limit music was sonically a cut below

[TraceOneInfinite]

I remember reading that in the Source. 2 weeks to do an album was crazy but kind of the protocol No Limit was using to put out albums every other week or so

it takes a unique artist like Pac with an unmatched work ethic to record quality music in like a 2 week span

Snoop didnt fit this criteria and Beats By The Pound with their cookie cutter beats as well

Yeah, but I think even for Pac, he may have recorded those first All Eyez On Me tracks at rapid speed, but if you consider all that went into them from a production, mixing, and mastering standpoint -- I think a lot of time went into those tracks if they were followed beginning to end.  LIke for example, we know Dre had already done a ton of work on "Can't C Me" (originally DPG cut) and "California Love" before it ever even reached Pac's ears.  Daz had already done the bulk of the work on tracks like "Got My Mind Made Up"-- so a lot of heart and soul went into those recordds.

Like Sccit said the mixing and mastering on No Limit albums was almost always shitty.  You'd try to turn that Beats By The Pound production all the way and it still wouldn't play loud.  P was alwasy cutting costs.  Like I said, the McDonalds of rap.  There's a great McDonalds movie The Founder with Michael Keaton an also a great documentary--they came out around 6 or so years ago--but they showed how low quality McDonalds was always cutting costs, their ice cream didn't use real milk.  It was just like some powder or some shit that they whipped up that looked like ice cream, so the o.g. founder got pissed and left the company.

[HighEyeCue]

beats by the pound said they didn’t mix tracks because most cats in the hood only had one working speaker lol

they would just slap the vocals on the beat n send it in for mastering witout touching it up .. which isn’t hard to tell because no limit music was sonically a cut below

damn

the fact that they got to produce Gin and Juice 2 was blasphemy as well

Yeah, but I think even for Pac, he may have recorded those first All Eyez On Me tracks at rapid speed, but if you consider all that went into them from a production, mixing, and mastering standpoint -- I think a lot of time went into those tracks if they were followed beginning to end.  LIke for example, we know Dre had already done a ton of work on "Can't C Me" (originally DPG cut) and "California Love" before it ever even reached Pac's ears.  Daz had already done the bulk of the work on tracks like "Got My Mind Made Up"-- so a lot of heart and soul went into those recordds.

Like Sccit said the mixing and mastering on No Limit albums was almost always shitty.  You'd try to turn that Beats By The Pound production all the way and it still wouldn't play loud.  P was alwasy cutting costs.  Like I said, the McDonalds of rap.  There's a great McDonalds movie The Founder with Michael Keaton an also a great documentary--they came out around 6 or so years ago--but they showed how low quality McDonalds was always cutting costs, their ice cream didn't use real milk.  It was just like some powder or some shit that they whipped up that looked like ice cream, so the o.g. founder got pissed and left the company.

oh yeah for sure

I was thinking more the 7 Day Theory album where he basically used the Death Row producers who we never really heard of at the time

maybe Sccit can confirm this but I believe the album was done in 7 days hence the title

[TraceOneInfinite]

damn

the fact that they got to produce Gin and Juice 2 was blasphemy as well

oh yeah for sure

I was thinking more the 7 Day Theory album where he basically used the Death Row producers who we never really heard of at the time

maybe Sccit can confirm this but I believe the album was done in 7 days hence the title

Yeah that “Gin and Juice 2” joint was brutal.  But P was trying to give folks what they want.  Like I said, the McDonalds of rap, the customer is always right.  You want Snoop to be gangsta again?  Here’s the track “murder murder kill kill” You want Snoop to do tracks like “Gin and Juice” again?  Okay here’s “Gin and Juice 2”.

But honestly, people don’t really know what they want, and often pleasing the public means dumbing your shit down.  Just look at the WWE.

What’s really best for the fans is when an artist is ahead of the listeners ears.  Like, Illmatic (wanted WC shit) was ahead of my ears, G Funk Era (wanted another Doggystyle) was ahead of my ears, 7 Day Theory (I wanted another AEOM)—all albums I didn’t really want—like with Warren G’s first one I wanted some hard shit like Doggystyle and it came off soft on first listen.  Then ended up being my favorite and most listened to album that shaped my summer of 94 into one of the greatest rhymes (times) of my life.

As for Pac again—recording 7 Day Theory may have been fast, but I bet pre and post production took a lot longer.  I think it was only PAC’s studio time that took 7 days.

[HighEyeCue]

Yeah that “Gin and Juice 2” joint was brutal.  But P was trying to give folks what they want.  Like I said, the McDonalds of rap, the customer is always right.  You want Snoop to be gangsta again?  Here’s the track “murder murder kill kill” You want Snoop to do tracks like “Gin and Juice” again?  Okay here’s “Gin and Juice 2”.

But honestly, people don’t really know what they want, and often pleasing the public means dumbing your shit down.  Just look at the WWE.

What’s really best for the fans is when an artist is ahead of the listeners ears.  Like, Illmatic (wanted WC shit) was ahead of my ears, G Funk Era (wanted another Doggystyle) was ahead of my ears, 7 Day Theory (I wanted another AEOM)—all albums I didn’t really want—like with Warren G’s first one I wanted some hard shit like Doggystyle and it came off soft on first listen.  Then ended up being my favorite and most listened to album that shaped my summer of 94 into one of the greatest rhymes (times) of my life.

As for Pac again—recording 7 Day Theory may have been fast, but I bet pre and post production took a lot longer.  I think it was only PAC’s studio time that took 7 days.

Its interesting you mention Illmatic because I was that way with It Was Written...I wanted another Illmatic and Nas came with the Lauryn Hill joint and I wasnt feeling it...I still don't totally

but it became my favorite Nas album because of tracks like this

[Sccit]

Its interesting you mention Illmatic because I was that way with It Was Written...I wanted another Illmatic and Nas came with the Lauryn Hill joint and I wasnt feeling it...I still don't totally

but it became my favorite Nas album because of tracks like this

it was written is an excellent comp to doggfather 

[HighEyeCue]

it was written is an excellent comp to doggfather

I never thought of it like that before but yeah you are definitely right

[TraceOneInfinite]

Its interesting you mention Illmatic because I was that way with It Was Written...I wanted another Illmatic and Nas came with the Lauryn Hill joint and I wasnt feeling it...I still don't totally

but it became my favorite Nas album because of tracks like this

With Nas you a bit ahead of me on some of the NY shit being out there—I totally slept on Illmatic I didn’t even get into that album until after Slim Shady LP was out and I started digging deeper into artists lyrics more so than their style and persona.  Like Death Row was great also on the lyrical side but I as a kid I was probably more into them for the persona and lookin up them dudes like their style and giving me confidence to speak to girls at school while most the rest of the kids were shy (we were only around 13).  So it took Eminem to prepare my ears for Illmatic.

I’m the opposite of you because it was “If I Ruled The World” that got me into Nas.  Like I said I didn’t really understand the lyrics other than I thought it was dope when he was schoolin those cats on the bench “I’m as wise as the old owl/plus the gold child” but honestly I was probably more into his persona in the video and also in love with Lauryn Hill.

But one thing we can agree on is “Take it In Blood”.  I loved that song when it came out and still love it now.

I think 98’ 99’ and 2000’ were when you and I were like doppelgänger hiphop fans listening to all the same shit at the same rhyme (time).  Cause by that time I’d became more fully aware of NY and also the lyrical side of hiphop.  I think it was Russel Simmons, not sure who but they described it as like West Coast is like music for the car, the open air, and the sunshine—and East Coast is like music for the headphones on a graffiti filled subway

[HighEyeCue]

With Nas you a bit ahead of me on some of the NY shit being out there—I totally slept on Illmatic I didn’t even get into that album until after Slim Shady LP was out and I started digging deeper into artists lyrics more so than their style and persona.  Like Death Row was great also on the lyrical side but I as a kid I was probably more into them for the persona and lookin up them dudes like their style and giving me confidence to speak to girls at school while most the rest of the kids were shy (we were only around 13).  So it took Eminem to prepare my ears for Illmatic.

I’m the opposite of you because it was “If I Ruled The World” that got me into Nas.  Like I said I didn’t really understand the lyrics other than I thought it was dope when he was schoolin those cats on the bench “I’m as wise as the old owl/plus the gold child” but honestly I was probably more into his persona in the video and also in love with Lauryn Hill.

But one thing we can agree on is “Take it In Blood”.  I loved that song when it came out and still love it now.

I think 98’ 99’ and 2000’ were when you and I were like doppelgänger hiphop fans listening to all the same shit at the same rhyme (time).  Cause by that time I’d became more fully aware of NY and also the lyrical side of hiphop.  I think it was Russel Simmons, not sure who but they described it as like West Coast is like music for the car, the open air, and the sunshine—and East Coast is like music for the headphones on a graffiti filled subway

exactly

you dont really need a car growing up here simply because the subway takes you everywhere

back then I was one of the first ones in my area to have a Sony Discman...it was cool but it used to skip like crazy when you were walking with it lol

but yeah I would alternate between the Illmatic CD and the Doggystyle CD

until Dogg Food was released on Halloween of '95 and I played that like every single day and to this day is my go to album to listen to

[TraceOneInfinite]

exactly

you dont really need a car growing up here simply because the subway takes you everywhere

back then I was one of the first ones in my area to have a Sony Discman...it was cool but it used to skip like crazy when you were walking with it lol

but yeah I would alternate between the Illmatic CD and the Doggystyle CD

until Dogg Food was released on Halloween of '95 and I played that like every single day and to this day is my go to album to listen to

You were like Game then “chronic and Illmatic on the shelf so I stole both”

Yeah that was a big moment in my life when Dogg Food was released.  I remember it like yesterday.  Really Bone East 99 Eternal was the big album at that time but it had been out for a few months so everyone was now ready for the next big one to hit.  Then Dogg Food came and they got that nice little MTV push where MTV news ran that segment on repeat that had Suge and them at a car shop in LA and outside Kurupt bumpin the album in the ride and throwin up the DPG and hat 🧢 C-style …

Best believe I started wearing my hat like that and throwing up DPG !!  And if that wasn’t big enough then second single came around and “New York New York” hit right in the midst of Snoops trial that was a big YoMtv Raps joint used to wait up every weekend night for it… and yes, bumping that shit every day.  I even wrote my first ever track by track album review for it just for my self nobody ever read it but me, written on a piece of paper studying the album in my room.

 The year went like Fall season was Bone season, winter season was DPG, and Spring season was All Eyez on Me.  With the summer came Crucial Conflict Final Tic

Then of course Pac got murdered and rest is history

[HighEyeCue]

You were like Game then “chronic and Illmatic on the shelf so I stole both”

Yeah that was a big moment in my life when Dogg Food was released.  I remember it like yesterday.  Really Bone East 99 Eternal was the big album at that time but it had been out for a few months so everyone was now ready for the next big one to hit.  Then Dogg Food came and they got that nice little MTV push where MTV news ran that segment on repeat that had Suge and them at a car shop in LA and outside Kurupt bumpin the album in the ride and throwin up the DPG and hat 🧢 C-style …

Best believe I started wearing my hat like that and throwing up DPG !!  And if that wasn’t big enough then second single came around and “New York New York” hit right in the midst of Snoops trial that was a big YoMtv Raps joint used to wait up every weekend night for it… and yes, bumping that shit every day.  I even wrote my first ever track by track album review for it just for my self nobody ever read it but me, written on a piece of paper studying the album in my room.

 The year went like Fall season was Bone season, winter season was DPG, and Spring season was All Eyez on Me.  With the summer came Crucial Conflict Final Tic

Then of course Pac got murdered and rest is history

do you remember during that segment on MTV news if they were showing them filming a video for Respect?

I vaguely remember this and I also heard through out the years that the Respect video is in the vaults

[Sccit]

[TraceOneInfinite]

do you remember during that segment on MTV news if they were showing them filming a video for Respect?

I vaguely remember this and I also heard through out the years that the Respect video is in the vaults

Don't remember any music video shown.  Notice they play respect in the background and Kurupt plays it in the car.

I found the segement on youtube.  This is pretty much it, unless there's some part that was cut out, or something added.  We woke up in the morning to this my homiez and I were 13 years old after my first time ever going down on a girl and all that.. it was definitely the dopest night of my entire life up to that point.  We'd been bumping Masta Ace "INC Ride" on the way to the football game and East 99 Eternal whole album full way through playing basketball in the front yard late at night.  I still remember the song playin on YoMTVRaps as we were breaking out the basement gutter window it was "For Real" AZ

I didn't even know there was going to be a DPG album (remember Murder Was the Case advertised like Helter Skelter or Lady of Rage or some shit) coming out till they played this segment.  I think Death Row had not put anything out since Murder Was The Case and appearances on soundtracks had kept them fresh like "Heads Ringin" and "Beware of My Crew" but like I said this moment put Death Row right back front and center after Bone had sort of taken over in the Fall season



and by the way that album advertisement Sccit posted from 95 for the Dogg Food album is dope as hell and I don't think I ever saw it, has Dre narrating!!  Showing Dre was still fully down in those dayz!! Ahh the good ol dayz!!