Would Eminem be considered the GOAT if he never released music after Relapse?

[Sccit]

I guess you didn't get what i meant bro, you look confused.

I never said recovery well recieved by eminem fans

I even gave myself as an example because i'm an eminem fan, more than you, as i read your comment you dont seem to have enough knowledge about eminem to discuss with a turkish as a jewish guest living in los angeles. All you can bring to table is you are right because you live in america and i dont.
Just wanted to let you face it if you want to take it to location and race

Anyway i hated recovery when it came out as an eminem fan, most of old eminem fans felt same way, i also can say i liked relapse more than recovery in first listen but even after relapse i was feeling that it is another failure as encore and eminem should get rid of dr.dre productions as soon as possible. today we see that recovery album saved eminem's career which was going down with encore and relapse dissapointments. Because ha adapted himself to time and got new fans. He showed that he doesnt sound same old same and will not. He will always be relevant, he will able to adapt and he is going to come up with something new. That is why recovery saved his ass and well recieved by most of current music listeners even if they are eminem fan or not.

Isnt it clear what i say? Come on sccit, lets discuss about music. If you can. Let us read your perspective for once instead taking it to races and location. I believe in you

Let me introduce you a few rap groups from europe(including turkey and uk) who are dope, who are legends, better rapper than you, better producer than you. Because its about talent, its about the way you are into it and giving yourself to culture no matter where you are from. (i appriciate your effort by they way, you are my friend and i feel you have dope records but u cant fuck with legendary artists and fucking great hip hop heads from all around the world)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNPN5Tgkmd8?si=w3zaWJa8MgEDPUmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNCexT6PpAk?si=-2Xqon5ExkhYKq8o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpTx7IlbPyw?si=FWPOg-sWQsayXLpu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQOG5BkY2Bc?si=joAg95zu6yIQRjgJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0i2jaRK2n4?si=Fi0LUK861OUJhO3K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq6w0ACBAPw?si=lOmgOwvp3As_NFWn

that shit u linkin is mediocre at best

generic hippity hop try hard shit wit no flavor and zero originality over uninspired beats. doesn't hold a candle to what me and siavash do .. but we already been peeped u as a lowkey hater wit "unique" taste

 




tell me how you're a "bigger eminem fan" than me again?

we don't care that eminem went pop and gained a new fanbase with recovery .. that was never in question. these discussions were having revolve around consensus in hip-hop circles, not the pop world.

[Jay_J]

that shit u linkin is mediocre at best

generic hippity hop try hard shit wit no flavor and zero originality over uninspired beats. doesn't hold a candle to what me and siavash do .. but we already been peeped u as a lowkey hater wit "unique" taste

 




tell me how you're a "bigger eminem fan" than me again?

we don't care that eminem went pop and gained a new fanbase with recovery .. that was never in question. these discussions were having revolve around consensus in hip-hop circles, not the pop world.

I know a girl in turkey who has these whole catalog. You would have smth to talk.

I'm not a hater but yeah i have a unique taste. You are right about that. I agree with you finally on smth.

Keep it cool bro.

Lets get back to discussion.

[Sccit]

I know a girl in turkey who has these whole catalog. You would have smth to talk.

I'm not a hater but yeah i have a unique taste. You are right about that. I agree with you finally on smth.

Keep it cool bro.

Lets get back to discussion.

i doubt she has infinite cd press or raw & uncut

those are super rare

but tell her to holla at me

 

[HighEyeCue]

I know a girl in turkey who has these whole catalog. You would have smth to talk.

I'm not a hater but yeah i have a unique taste. You are right about that. I agree with you finally on smth.

Keep it cool bro.

Lets get back to discussion.

Im from Greek background but Id like to visit Turkey one day...I have a cousin who lives there

that shit u linkin is mediocre at best

generic hippity hop try hard shit wit no flavor and zero originality over uninspired beats. doesn't hold a candle to what me and siavash do .. but we already been peeped u as a lowkey hater wit "unique" taste

 




tell me how you're a "bigger eminem fan" than me again?

we don't care that eminem went pop and gained a new fanbase with recovery .. that was never in question. these discussions were having revolve around consensus in hip-hop circles, not the pop world.

impressive collection

[doggfather]

i doubt she has infinite cd press or raw & uncut

Those two what I missin from my collection.

And I am far from an Eminem fan...

[doggfather]

impressive collection

Word

[goodyoung]

Jay J is not wrong and neither are you....

Yes, Relapse has developed into somewhat of a cult classic, and maybe Recovery doesn't have that same cult following.

...but certainly Jay is right that the objective narrative from critics and the buying public at the time these albums were released was that Relapse was a let down and Recovery was a solid comeback

That's exactly what I said tho, Trace. So how am I wrong?
Jay's objectively wrong and you just pretty much agreed with me. Jay's saying Relapse production was disappointing and outdated and that people didn't like it, when in reality the production aspect was the only part of the album that everyone praised. Shit, I mean since we are quoting Wikipedia now, it says "Critically, the album received mixed responses upon release. Reviewers generally praised its production".

[goodyoung]

Again, Recovery, despite sounding fresher at the time of it's release, has aged far worse than Relapse. That's a fact. There's a reason  everyone was rolling their eyes at Eminem trying to imitate it's sound in 2017. And there's also a reason why Em is putting his Relapse leftovers on his newer albums and everybody loves those songs.

Jay, it's fine if you prefer Recovery to Relapse, but you disliking it for whatever reasons can't take away it's classic status. That would be just your opinion. Personally, I feel like MMLP2 is garbage, but me disliking it wouldn't change the fact that the majority loves it anyway.
Nobody's denying that Recovery was huge when it came out and that it was the album that gave Em's career a new life and got him so many new fans.

[Jay_J]

Im from Greek background but Id like to visit Turkey one day...I have a cousin who lives there

be my guest brother, i'd be glad to host you.

[Jay_J]

Again, Recovery, despite sounding fresher at the time of it's release, has aged far worse than Relapse. That's a fact. There's a reason  everyone was rolling their eyes at Eminem trying to imitate it's sound in 2017. And there's also a reason why Em is putting his Relapse leftovers on his newer albums and everybody loves those songs.

Jay, it's fine if you prefer Recovery to Relapse, but you disliking it for whatever reasons can't take away it's classic status. That would be just your opinion. Personally, I feel like MMLP2 is garbage, but me disliking it wouldn't change the fact that the majority loves it anyway.
Nobody's denying that Recovery was huge when it came out and that it was the album that gave Em's career a new life and got him so many new fans.

no i dont prefer Recovery to Relapse. why you guys are not reading

i'm saying im not a fan of Recovery, i like Relapse more. But Recovery was fresh, new and suitable for current time that i was released. Eminem made a big move with changing his flow, cadance and tone, also he gave up working with Dre. he started to work with different cats and these decisions saved Eminem's career which was falling so bad after Encore and Relapse. I'm not saying i like Recovery and it's my taste, i just say that i give it's flowers for how it effected em's career in a good way.

[Jay_J]

That's exactly what I said tho, Trace. So how am I wrong?
Jay's objectively wrong and you just pretty much agreed with me. Jay's saying Relapse production was disappointing and outdated and that people didn't like it, when in reality the production aspect was the only part of the album that everyone praised. Shit, I mean since we are quoting Wikipedia now, it says "Critically, the album received mixed responses upon release. Reviewers generally praised its production".

Are we getting wikipedia as source? you can write anything there

Sure dre is a fucking good mix enginner and his beats bang, if he make something sounds like a track from 2001, i think it would sound dope in production and mix wise. but it would fucking sound outdated, you know what im saying bro?

What makes Eminem sound so unique was to producek with Jeff Bass, Dj Head, Mr Porter. When he let Dr. Dre to produce him entirely it was not the right time. Actually it was never a right time for Eminem to work with dre entirely on an album honestly. 2009 was the worst time to work with Dr. Dre who doesnt know what to do and doubting himself. Music evolved and dre couldnt keep up with it. 2009 wasnt a good time for a relevant artist like Em to come up with tracks like Insane, Underground, My Mom, We Made You (which all of em were dope). Why do you think people liked "Beautiful" most?

[Sccit]

no i dont prefer Recovery to Relapse. why you guys are not reading

i'm saying im not a fan of Recovery, i like Relapse more. But Recovery was fresh, new and suitable for current time that i was released. Eminem made a big move with changing his flow, cadance and tone, also he gave up working with Dre. he started to work with different cats and these decisions saved Eminem's career which was falling so bad after Encore and Relapse. I'm not saying i like Recovery and it's my taste, i just say that i give it's flowers for how it effected em's career in a good way.

its hilarious to speak as if relapse was a flop LOL

it went gold in less than a week and was the best selling rap album of 2009

 

[doggfather]

Why the phuck is an Eminem thread in the westcoast section?!

[goodyoung]

no i dont prefer Recovery to Relapse. why you guys are not reading

i'm saying im not a fan of Recovery, i like Relapse more. But Recovery was fresh, new and suitable for current time that i was released. Eminem made a big move with changing his flow, cadance and tone, also he gave up working with Dre. he started to work with different cats and these decisions saved Eminem's career which was falling so bad after Encore and Relapse. I'm not saying i like Recovery and it's my taste, i just say that i give it's flowers for how it effected em's career in a good way.

That's exactly what I'm saying tho. Nobody's denying that Recovery had a greater impact on Em's career than Relapse and people loved it a lot back in 2010. But the thing is, as the time passed people started to appreciate Relapse more and now this album is indeed considered a cult classic, while Recovery is mostly looked upon as something that was cool 15 years ago but now is corny af.

Take Skylar Grey for example. Em's records with her (LTWYL, INAD) were massive hits back then, but now everybody wants to roll their eyes when they see her name featured on Em's new albums. On the other hand people disliked the accents and thought the beats were outdated back in 2009, but when Em dropped Discombobulated few years ago most people seemed to love it and put it in their top 3 from the album.

[Sccit]

Why the phuck is an Eminem thread in the westcoast section?!

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