Would Eminem be considered the GOAT if he never released music after Relapse?

[Sccit]

They might be dr. Dre fans. Not eminem fans.

Even as a dre fan i find those beats outdated. I dont say they are not bangin, i dont say they are bad. They were outdated. Also they dont fit eminem. Its not eminem music at all. You cant expect eminem to jump on an album produced by dj premier for exampöe and expect me to say "production was dope!".

As an eminem fan, it is sooooo wrong to make an eminem album fully produced by dre. Not even in 99 or 2001. That has to fail absolutely. Em's signature sound doesnt belong to dr.dre singles.

u said u just got into rap in 2001


we were already full on heads in 1999 when mmlp dropped

let me tell you, in real time we all LOVED everything dre did on SSLP MMLP & Eminem Show

you are the only one who thinks that dre was the problem on Relapse.. literally the only person in the whole entire world lol no exaggeration

u can go back and look at the threads if u don't believe me.. and hardcore eminem fans were very prevalent on this forum during that era.

[Jay_J]

u said u just got into rap in 2001


we were already full on heads in 1999 when mmlp dropped

let me tell you, in real time we all LOVED everything dre did on SSLP MMLP & Eminem Show

you are the only one who thinks that dre was the problem on Relapse.. literally the only person in the whole entire world lol no exaggeration

u can go back and look at the threads if u don't believe me.. and hardcore eminem fans were very prevalent on this forum during that era.

That doest make anyone right who started to listen to rap earlier sccit, you better get used to that its not about age, not about location, not about your color or when you started to listen to it

Yes i loved everything dre did on mmlp, sslp and eminem show (maybe say what you say is kind of unnecessary). I never said dre shouldnt produce for eminem you pushing yourself hard to not understand me.

Dre was good to bring radio friendly singles as a big name that grammys and charts will consider with interscope's power. Rest of the album, real content, deep issues and track that were going to make you an eminem fan were belont to a detroit production team made of jeff bass, dj head, steve king and eminem's himself.

Last succesful dr.dre produced album was "documentary". Because it fits perfect to the game and 50 cent was fucking at the top and came up with radio friendly hooks. That was the last time dr.dre executive produced a classic. Then he fell off. Because rap changed he didnt understsnd it. We saw that fell off on following 50 cent albums, busta rhymes album (commercially succesful but outdated to me as well), finally relapse with full of detox, bishop, game, busta leftover like sounding beats. Kanye, pharrel and timbaland was making a revolution those days with new sounds. Dre was still on making midi loops and putting subbass kicks and smash claps on them with mark batson and dawaun parker who cant fuck with scott, mike, mel man, ron feemster or camara kambon.

[goodyoung]

Oh now we calling The Big Bang outdated as well?

Man this thread is hilarious

[Jay_J]

Oh now we calling The Big Bang outdated as well?

Man this thread is hilarious

dr. dre's production doesnt fit to east coast mc's well. also it was 2006 and south started to takeover. again it wasnt a good time in music industry for post 2004 dre productions. it worked great on genesis in 2001 because there was a west coast take over, dre was on top of his career and only a few dre/scott jointz was the thing industry was looking for. even just blaze production "everybody rise" is a west coast influenced beat. genesis is my favorite busta rhymes album by the way. both west coast and east coast jointz worked properly together. but on 2006 shit was different.

there's a review that i agree on every word.

https://behindtherhyme.com/2016/07/24/busta-rhymes-the-big-bang-10-years-old/

[goodyoung]

dr. dre's production doesnt fit to east coast mc's well. also it was 2006 and south started to takeover. again it wasnt a good time in music industry for post 2004 dre productions. it worked great on genesis in 2001 because there was a west coast take over, dre was on top of his career and only a few dre/scott jointz was the thing industry was looking for. even just blaze production "everybody rise" is a west coast influenced beat. genesis is my favorite busta rhymes album by the way. both west coast and east coast jointz worked properly together. but on 2006 shit was different.

there's a review that i agree on every word.

https://behindtherhyme.com/2016/07/24/busta-rhymes-the-big-bang-10-years-old/

Bro you've got some very unique takes, I'll tell you that

[Jay_J]

Bro you've got some very unique takes, I'll tell you that

thats how i see. i don't claim it is what is. i'm just bringing my opinion. i respect opositte comments.

[goodyoung]

thats how i see. i don't claim it is what is. i'm just bringing my opinion. i respect opositte comments.

Fair enough

[mtbsm]

u said u just got into rap in 2001


we were already full on heads in 1999 when mmlp dropped

let me tell you, in real time we all LOVED everything dre did on SSLP MMLP & Eminem Show

you are the only one who thinks that dre was the problem on Relapse.. literally the only person in the whole entire world lol no exaggeration

u can go back and look at the threads if u don't believe me.. and hardcore eminem fans were very prevalent on this forum during that era.

lmao true re dre

heard hello and deja vu this AM.. production A1

[HighEyeCue]

I respect everyone's POV but here is my 2 cents after listening to the album for the 2nd time this month

1. I don't think Dre has since matched his production on "Relapse" even on "Compton"

2. Ems rhyme schemes on it are amazing...flow is crazy

3. I enjoy horrorcore from time to time so the subject matter does not bother me but I understand its not for everyone including some hardcore Em fans...its a concept album

4. The accent works on some songs but on others it can get annoying so I think he definitely overused it

5. The "Beautiful" track is the only Bass produced track and doesnt fit on the album even though its a great song imo...wouldve been better served on "Curtain Call" or another Greatest Hits release

[Duck Duck Doggy]

“Say what you say” was a classic and they were addressing the beefs they had at the time. It was a very exciting track that still slaps.

And to say Dre makes beats that doesn’t sound good for east coast artists is insane. Have you not heard the firm album? And the Big Bang is a good album that got slept on.

I don’t agree with your takes in this thread Turkish insider and it makes me doubt you were listening to these albums when they dropped but perhaps it’s just your really unique taste

[Jay_J]

lmao true re dre

heard hello and deja vu this AM.. production A1

Deja vu is my favorite on the album. Dope chorus and nice outro. Great track.

[Sccit]

big bang was outdated

 


another incredible take that literally no one claimed in real time


ayo cey cey... stick to turkish folk music!

[Jay_J]

“Say what you say” was a classic and they were addressing the beefs they had at the time. It was a very exciting track that still slaps.

And to say Dre makes beats that doesn’t sound good for east coast artists is insane. Have you not heard the firm album? And the Big Bang is a good album that got slept on.

I don’t agree with your takes in this thread Turkish insider and it makes me doubt you were listening to these albums when they dropped but perhaps it’s just your really unique taste

To me say what you say was adressing Dre's beef personally and it had nothing to do to be on an emimem album. Also beat is same loop keep repeating. Historically its an iconic track that em and dre making a diss track back and forth, but it should be a single or on a compilation album.

I have the firm album. I like that album personally but have you ever heard "firm flopped"? That was the reason that Dre ain't been gettin' no sleep and came up with 2001 with all them old and new West coast rappers.

Sure i've listened to those albums when they dropped. The big bang was a dissapointment for me except of been through the storm.

[Jay_J]

big bang was outdated

 


another incredible take that literally no one claimed in real time


ayo cey cey... stick to turkish folk music!

Then who is going to correct your mistakes and stop you to put yourself into sad situation in social media  i think i can handle both hip hop, turkish music and other genres.

When i say big bang was outdated i mean the dre beats there. There were 8 tracks produced by dre/mark/dewaun (weakest dre team in history). There were never even 8 dre tracks on eminem, xzibit, snoop albums. I would like to say same thing about jay z's kingdome come album but i would like to call those dre beats wack instead outdated.

[Sccit]

guys. did u know 2001 was outdated when it dropped? everybody knows this. in fact, the only good song from there is "the message". because it wasn't midi g-funk imitation that dre was still using during this era. that's why the chronic is better. but the second half of the chronic is still very very bad, everybody says that. during this era beats by the pound was the hot sound making smash hits with excellent productions and dre was left behind. as a matter of fact, dr. dre was already finished in 1991. this is hip hop history 101 for all of you who didnt know.