Would Eminem be considered the GOAT if he never released music after Relapse?

[goodyoung]

sure they did a few good tracks. but overall they have ups and downs. they don't have a standart at all.

get you some and don't get carried away are dope songs but it doesnt match busta and yeah rap was changing already. that dre formula was not interesting anymore. the last time it made sense was the game's album because he was representing west coast gangsta shit.

rain man, ass like that, just lose it are wack thats why i hate encore dre already lost his way those days. all these encore songs u mentioned have mark batson in the team thanks for correcting me.

did u say push play? it was 2002 and people were complaining that beat is used for only an intro but not a full length song. if anybody hates push play he or she must be a west coast hip hop hater. come on, please go listen to the track like its 2002 again and tell me you are not nodding your head unconsciously. but if dre would use the same beat for eminem in 2009 in relapse i would be still standing at the same place to call it wrong artist, wrong year and outdated. am i clear with this example?

"Few great tracks" is like 80% of all of their music they made with Dre. Only around 1/5 of their music was wack/mediocre.

Sorry it doesn't make any sense... How exactly are these don't match Busta? He sounds perfect on them, the production matches his voice and flows. And he sounds more mature on TBB than he usually does, so yeah it isn't a typical goofy Busta style, but that was intentional.
Again, The Documentary came out in 2005, the Big Bang came out in 2006 - there were no major shifts in hip hop during that time for Dre production to lose it's value and uniqueness, so I genuinely can't see how Dre beats were no longer "making sense" just a year after his last output.

His main guy during Encore days still was Mike tho.

I bop my head uncontrollably to any Dre beat  Including a fucking Big Weenie and Choke me lol. Doesn't mean those are dope songs, it's just something about their catchiness. Push Play is a cool beat, but nothing remarkable about that one imo and it wasn't up to usual Dre standards (X, Fight Music, Break Ya neck etc etc)

[jerseymike]

It’s nothing like that actually. Dre released 2001 after. Eminem hasn’t released a single classic album since Eminem Show

2001 is good but compared to detox its overrated and bland. recovery is better than eminem show, em show is half filler but has some of his best songs ever on there. recovery is the better album on a whole with only a few terrible songs like so bad, untitled, cinderella man.

[jerseymike]

MMLP2 and Bad Meetz Evil EP spectacular

And tracks like "Guts Over Fear" that were recorded years after Relapse—I consider to be one of Eminem's top 5 greatest songs of his whole career.  Then on MMLP you got tracks like "Brainless" which is actually like an update of the Slim Shady LP classic "Brain Damage" and is as good or better than that classic song.  I also thought that "Stronger Than I Was" might be the best song he ever did about Kim, and tracks "Legacy" is also a great song.

castle is his only good song post recovery, probably cuz dj khalil produced it. em just doesnt sound good or make good music with producers outside of the mid 2000s detox crew. sadly is the case for all prime era aftermath artists, none of them have ever gotten any good beats or made more than a few good songs after leaving/moving on from that team. em, 50, game, bishop, busta, kendrick, raekwon, joell etc. they all suffered the same fate a crazy decline in quality.

[Sccit]

2001 is good but compared to detox its overrated and bland. recovery is better than eminem show, em show is half filler but has some of his best songs ever on there. recovery is the better album on a whole with only a few terrible songs like so bad, untitled, cinderella man.

lol you're insane

[HighEyeCue]

2001 is good but compared to detox its overrated and bland. recovery is better than eminem show, em show is half filler but has some of his best songs ever on there. recovery is the better album on a whole with only a few terrible songs like so bad, untitled, cinderella man.

you got a link for Detox?

[Jay_J]

"Few great tracks" is like 80% of all of their music they made with Dre. Only around 1/5 of their music was wack/mediocre.

Sorry it doesn't make any sense... How exactly are these don't match Busta? He sounds perfect on them, the production matches his voice and flows. And he sounds more mature on TBB than he usually does, so yeah it isn't a typical goofy Busta style, but that was intentional.
Again, The Documentary came out in 2005, the Big Bang came out in 2006 - there were no major shifts in hip hop during that time for Dre production to lose it's value and uniqueness, so I genuinely can't see how Dre beats were no longer "making sense" just a year after his last output.

His main guy during Encore days still was Mike tho.

I bop my head uncontrollably to any Dre beat  Including a fucking Big Weenie and Choke me lol. Doesn't mean those are dope songs, it's just something about their catchiness. Push Play is a cool beat, but nothing remarkable about that one imo and it wasn't up to usual Dre standards (X, Fight Music, Break Ya neck etc etc)

1- what are the worldwide hits made by this so called strongest team? i want to hear.

2- gangsta rap/mafioso rap was about to die, the last mainstream gangsta rap album was documentary. also butsa is a new york rapper with his own style. 2005 dr.dre-scott storch-50 cent type of music matched the game, but 2006 dr. dre-mark batson type of music didnt math busta. it didnt match eminem either. it happened same with anderson paak,he let dr. dre to get involved too much with oxnard and it failed. because it didnt match paak. then paak made "ventura" by himself and it became succesful.since documentary dr. dre lost his way and couldnt find it yet.

[goodyoung]

First of all i want to appriciate the way you discuss, i feel hyped to discuss with you, i feel glad to have you in this forum.

goodyoung is discussing the right way

 

[goodyoung]

1- what are the worldwide hits made by this so called strongest team? i want to hear.

2- gangsta rap/mafioso rap was about to die, the last mainstream gangsta rap album was documentary. also butsa is a new york rapper with his own style. 2005 dr.dre-scott storch-50 cent type of music matched the game, but 2006 dr. dre-mark batson type of music didnt math busta. it didnt match eminem either. it happened same with anderson paak,he let dr. dre to get involved too much with oxnard and it failed. because it didnt match paak. then paak made "ventura" by himself and it became succesful.since documentary dr. dre lost his way and couldnt find it yet.

1 - I never said anything about worldwide hits, just that the music they made together was great for the most part. I know they weren't dominating the charts like his 2001 team, but this discussion was never about the commercial success.

2 - "was about to die" isn't the same as "was dead and forgotten". It didn't die until late 2007, and 2006 had TBCT and DA, both pure west coast gangsta rap albums and both were met with positive reviews and were successful. It wasn't until Kanye came up with Graduation and killed it.
I'm still waiting for you to explain how exactly Dre type production didn't match Busta in 2006. Bus wasn't rapping with his usual wacky style on the big bang, he was much more mature on that record than before (and after, if we being honest), so this type of Dre prod matched his new vibe just fine. And Busta himself considers it his best album, so...

Btw I thought Black Rabbit was a Restless leftover. I remember it was mentioned as one of the tracks Dre and X did for Restless in some interview...

Agree about Oxnard, but it's not the same situation. Oxnard had a problem similar to most of post-Compton Dre productions - too many things happenning at once, overproduced to hell, not sounding like a Dre beat etc etc. TBB didn't have none of these problems, it came out when that type of production was still hot.
Look at the reception to both: Dre-produced songs on Oxnard are usually regarded as the weakest parts of the album, while on TBB, Relapse, TBCT Dre beats are described as highlights.

[goodyoung]

2001 is good but compared to detox its overrated and bland. recovery is better than eminem show, em show is half filler but has some of his best songs ever on there. recovery is the better album on a whole with only a few terrible songs like so bad, untitled, cinderella man.

You still ain't tired of cosplaying as someone who has heard Detox?

[goodyoung]

lol you're insane

Keep in mind this guy once said Under Pressure leak was better than Keep their heads ringin

[jerseymike]

Keep in mind this guy once said Under Pressure leak was better than Keep their heads ringin

it was dr prescription and yes it is way better. i like dre as a concept rapper more than a gangster rapper. for context the watcher 1, message n few others are what i consider concept songs by dre, much better than anything on chronic 1 and 2001. concept dre was what we were gonna get on detox. i need a doctor is hated on alot but its still a better rap verse by dre than chronic imo. i know 99% will disagree but they havent heard dre rapping on a higher level like he was on detox so i can see why it wouldnt make sense to most people. if u ask any of the og detox producers this same question they will say the same. dre wasnt on some lupe black thought shit but he was very lyrical on detox.

[jerseymike]

You still ain't tired of cosplaying as someone who has heard Detox?

any and all info ive given or said about detox can be easily proven if u speak to anyone from the og detox crew. i dont need to cosplay as some who heard it when i prolly have more songs than chad kiser does. he only has a early 09 copy of detox. not stuff from the final 2011 version before detox was officially scrapped forever. not gonna leak songs or snippets just to prove i have some mp3s lol.

[Duck Duck Doggy]

So I went back and listened to Relapse Revovery and MMLP2 and bro it’s not even close. Relapse with the Refill tracks is better than both of those albums by far. Dre’s production was a near his peak and Em is still rapping his butt off. Flow is still there he still had rhythm and soul

Recovery. Some good tracks here but the sound has drastically shifted. I think around this time Eminem was killed and cloned and we got a completely new artist. Honestly he should have another name as an artist from this point on because it’s like two completely separate artists and careers

MMLP2. I like the replay value for this album better than Recovery. I like the old school rap rock thing Rick Rubin was doing for the production and beastie boy Eminem flow is better than the other yelling flow with no rhythm but this album really shouldn’t have been called mmlp2. I think looking at it as a sequel just creates unnecessary expectations and then you are automatically disappointed whereas if it had a different title we’d just be happy it was better than recovery and say Em is back!!

Unfortunately the worst Em followed this with Revival which to me only had 1 good track.

The albums following this were better but still missing that special intangible quality that made em em

Think his sobriety streak has something to do with this.

[goodyoung]

any and all info ive given or said about detox can be easily proven if u speak to anyone from the og detox crew. i dont need to cosplay as some who heard it when i prolly have more songs than chad kiser does. he only has a early 09 copy of detox. not stuff from the final 2011 version before detox was officially scrapped forever. not gonna leak songs or snippets just to prove i have some mp3s lol.

Except you never posted any real info, all you do is simply praise wack ass tracks and leaks like Curtis' Fire and under pressure and call them shits experimental and better songs than Chronic. There's nothing to ask people from his og  Detox crew to verify here, you're simply giving your opinions, no info. Ironically your attempts to hype up Detox have an opposite effect, if Detox was something up to your taste everyone would feel grateful to Dre for not putting this out...
And also I think you don't really understand what "experimental" means, because none of those songs were that.

not gonna leak songs or snippets just to prove i have some mp3s lol.

Lol oh sure sure course you won't

[goodyoung]

it was dr prescription and yes it is way better. i like dre as a concept rapper more than a gangster rapper. for context the watcher 1, message n few others are what i consider concept songs by dre, much better than anything on chronic 1 and 2001. concept dre was what we were gonna get on detox. i need a doctor is hated on alot but its still a better rap verse by dre than chronic imo. i know 99% will disagree but they havent heard dre rapping on a higher level like he was on detox so i can see why it wouldnt make sense to most people. if u ask any of the og detox producers this same question they will say the same. dre wasnt on some lupe black thought shit but he was very lyrical on detox.

And crazy ass takes like this is exactly why no one takes what you say seriously

If you think some of the wackest shit ever like Mr Prescription is better than classics like Keep their heads ringing I honestly don't think anyone would feel sorry that Detox was scrapped if it was up to your liking. Shit would've been worse than Dre beats on Oxnard lol