Will Any Death Row Material Leak In The Future?

[Bossplaya369]

I Miss Tha Vaultz FTP THC Days..

Can We Expect Any Leaks?

[gfunk2024]

stuff has been, and will continue to leak but you really have to pay a decent price for it. Since only a few people pay for it, I don't think it gets leaked like the old days.

[Soopafly DPGC]

There isn't a whole lot left honestly.  And the big ticket items (Next Episode, Endonesia, Pac stuff, etc.) aren't leaking any time soon.

Now that AI is prevalent, i'd question any sort of 'demo mix' or 'alternate mix' as it's so easy to strip a track of a drum layer or add certain elements to a track. We used to get a bunch of demo mixes or rough mixes, which were interesting from a historical perspective, but all of that stuff is going to be met with major suspicion nowadays. 

For the most part, the old Death Row stuff has run dry. 

[Bossplaya369]

Judging by the inventor list there must be shitload of undergro7nd stuff left.

[Soopafly DPGC]

Judging by the inventor list there must be shitload of undergro7nd stuff left.

I’d love to see what’s still unreleased from that list. As last time i looked, most had been leaked. Many of those songs on the list are just songs listed under a different name.

[gfunk2024]

I think there is still a lot that is unreleased and wasn't on lists. Bomb1st would release projects with some of this music. There are people out there with the music, but they don't have much interest in leaking it unless people will pay for it.

For example, the song "Smoke" released on DPG 2002 has a different version with an extra kurupt verse.

[Soopafly DPGC]

I think there is still a lot that is unreleased and wasn't on lists. Bomb1st would release projects with some of this music. There are people out there with the music, but they don't have much interest in leaking it unless people will pay for it.

For example, the song "Smoke" released on DPG 2002 has a different version with an extra kurupt verse.

That list was supposed to include every song Death Row owned in conjunction with the bankruptcy filing assets. 

Death Row artists that recorded at other studios or for other people's albums, those wouldn't be on the list naturally.  So i'm sure there are plenty of songs done by Death Row artists around that time floating around.  Like if Daz recorded a song for E-40's album over at Sic Wit It, is that an unreleased Death Row song?  I would say no, but if you're wanting unreleased material from any artist who happened to be signed to DR at the time a song was made, then yeah, there's probably some of that material still floating around. 

[Bossplaya369]

I know almost everyone is for 2pac dre snoop circle but i would enjoy the underground tracks

There is shxtload of songs by lesser known acts.

[Fonky Fresh]

The album of Murder IV Hire guys  (Bloods) a couple of music vids like 68 and  i owe you one (Jewell's band), Back in bed again (Jewell), Wit Me Tonite (Jewell & Storm) , probably others.
, The Chronic Tour Live footage (halted quickly due to Snoop's murder case) that woul be killer on Bluray

[bd94s10]

Before Snoop and company took over at DRR it seemed like Mgmt was preparing various releases. I forget the heavy set dude that was going live on DRR Instagram but he kept saying they wanted to make sure the artists got paid...

I'd love for a huge box set to be released with various rarities etc. I'd love to get a copy of Price Ital Joe's album that leaked. To me, one thing that is helping the record industry is nostalgia. There is no reason they shouldn't be dropping some of the older music unless there are rights issues. Hell this DRR from the WIDEawake days is super rare https://www.discogs.com/release/2024919-Various-The-Ultimate-Death-Row-Collection?srsltid=AfmBOooUszGX369vLWfmeXCmozr_sBjx2DKyKt86cVPmJJLfL2SS9bhG --- why not drop stuff like this that true fans would buy and then it just helps streaming as its a new release back at the top of streaming apps.. which leads people to stream it and eventually roll into "like" music after the album/compilation finishes.

[Bossplaya369]

Before Snoop and company took over at DRR it seemed like Mgmt was preparing various releases. I forget the heavy set dude that was going live on DRR Instagram but he kept saying they wanted to make sure the artists got paid...

I'd love for a huge box set to be released with various rarities etc. I'd love to get a copy of Price Ital Joe's album that leaked. To me, one thing that is helping the record industry is nostalgia. There is no reason they shouldn't be dropping some of the older music unless there are rights issues. Hell this DRR from the WIDEawake days is super rare https://www.discogs.com/release/2024919-Various-The-Ultimate-Death-Row-Collection?srsltid=AfmBOooUszGX369vLWfmeXCmozr_sBjx2DKyKt86cVPmJJLfL2SS9bhG --- why not drop stuff like this that true fans would buy and then it just helps streaming as its a new release back at the top of streaming apps.. which leads people to stream it and eventually roll into "like" music after the album/compilation finishes.

Thats what im saying

[Soopafly DPGC]

Thats what im saying

There’s just no money in it. Even mainstream artists don’t make much on physical sales. It’s touring and licensing that bring in the money.

Seriously, how much money do you think an OFTB album would bring in these days after they pay for mixing/mastering, sample clearances, artists, etc.??  I get it that as a fan you want this, but this is a business and there’s just no money in it. They can’t release the Pac stuff or Dre stuff due to legalities. It’s just not going to happen.

[bd94s10]

@ Soopafly DPGC - I don’t disagree … I realize it more than likely isn’t going to happen but I also didn’t have Interscope dropping a longbox CD of The Chronic for Record Store Day in 2023 either. Ironically it was to celebrate the 30th anniversary but came out almost 31 years after the release date. But I am more than happy that so much music dropped during the WIDEawake days (maybe even right before when Suge still had control) and is avail on streaming. I have a playlist of a ton of later DRR releases including: 20 to Life Vol. 1 Rare and Dangerous, 20 to Life Vol 2 Rare and Dangerous, Escape from Death Row (I don’t think this was a DRR release), 2Pac Nu-Mixx (not my fav), Death Row - The Lost Sessions Vol. 1, Kurupt Against Tha Grain, OFTB Damn Near Dead, Tha Dogg Pound Doggy Bag, Kurupt Down and Dirty, Above the RIM maxi single tracks (before Snoop got DRR the previous regime pushed hard to have this released and it was FINALLY added to streaming), Tha Dogg Pound 2002, The Legendary Sam Sneed Street Scholars, Jewell’s self titled album, The Very Best of Death Row, etc. I know I am missing a few but for any DRR fan, WIDEawake did a lot of justice by dropping some gems.

* I am a firm believer that nowadays any project, other than super well known artists, are essentially a write-off for said company. Hell I was super surprised Snoop and team dropped a physical copy of WAWG. When they do you always hear "this is for the true fans" so what's that mean for all the non physical album releases lol.

* In an interview recently I had Brad Jordan, better known as Scarface, stated 1,000,000 streams pays $4,000 (anyone know how accurate this is?). Imagine a well put together album, by a lesser known artist, even making back enough to pay the Engineers, artists, etc., etc.

* In this video by @Damizza the other day he does a great job covering Luminate's report. Nostalgia... at the end of his report here is key -

* A lot of what the industry is selling these days is NOT new music which Damizza continues to reinforces in his videos. A&R isn’t what it use to be and people do not consume music the same way they did in the past in terms of new artists (it seems). I am not hating on it myself but I still buy physical albums to supports artists I like (Snoop, Xzibit, Dre, etc.)

Getting back to the discussing of releasing legacy music…

* 187 isn't avail to stream for instances... since it is owned by SOLAR. Colin Wolfe has mentioned that Snoop is looking into acquiring that track. You could argue.. why spend any money on it.. streaming doesn't pay.. yada yada yada.. but it is the legacy of the song. Snoop/Dre's first commercial collab.. I'd argue why even drop 30th anniversary Doggystyle, Dr. Dre 30th anniversary Chronic in black jacket release for 2,5000 units .. vinyl is expensive to press.... those limited releases are just helping, in the grand scene of things, to hit sales numbers for said year.

Hell, even if we don't get any further releases, I am happy with my collection so far. I have a few more releases to obtain to try and complete my collection. Mostly during the WIDEawake days as I was not buying as many CDs in that era. Luckily they are plentiful online such as eBay etc.

Lastly, I was disappointed there was no official physical release of BODR. I guess at some point Snoop will prob have copies made (I recall another album of his that was never avail on vinyl or something like that was released on vinyl years later) but we will see.

Peace,
Jason ODB

[gfunk2024]

@ Soopafly DPGC - I don’t disagree … I realize it more than likely isn’t going to happen but I also didn’t have Interscope dropping a longbox CD of The Chronic for Record Store Day in 2023 either. Ironically it was to celebrate the 30th anniversary but came out almost 31 years after the release date. But I am more than happy that so much music dropped during the WIDEawake days (maybe even right before when Suge still had control) and is avail on streaming. I have a playlist of a ton of later DRR releases including: 20 to Life Vol. 1 Rare and Dangerous, 20 to Life Vol 2 Rare and Dangerous, Escape from Death Row (I don’t think this was a DRR release), 2Pac Nu-Mixx (not my fav), Death Row - The Lost Sessions Vol. 1, Kurupt Against Tha Grain, OFTB Damn Near Dead, Tha Dogg Pound Doggy Bag, Kurupt Down and Dirty, Above the RIM maxi single tracks (before Snoop got DRR the previous regime pushed hard to have this released and it was FINALLY added to streaming), Tha Dogg Pound 2002, The Legendary Sam Sneed Street Scholars, Jewell’s self titled album, The Very Best of Death Row, etc. I know I am missing a few but for any DRR fan, WIDEawake did a lot of justice by dropping some gems.

* I am a firm believer that nowadays any project, other than super well known artists, are essentially a write-off for said company. Hell I was super surprised Snoop and team dropped a physical copy of WAWG. When they do you always hear "this is for the true fans" so what's that mean for all the non physical album releases lol.

* In an interview recently I had Brad Jordan, better known as Scarface, stated 1,000,000 streams pays $4,000 (anyone know how accurate this is?). Imagine a well put together album, by a lesser known artist, even making back enough to pay the Engineers, artists, etc., etc.

* In this video by @Damizza the other day he does a great job covering Luminate's report. Nostalgia... at the end of his report here is key -

* A lot of what the industry is selling these days is NOT new music which Damizza continues to reinforces in his videos. A&R isn’t what it use to be and people do not consume music the same way they did in the past in terms of new artists (it seems). I am not hating on it myself but I still buy physical albums to supports artists I like (Snoop, Xzibit, Dre, etc.)

Getting back to the discussing of releasing legacy music…

* 187 isn't avail to stream for instances... since it is owned by SOLAR. Colin Wolfe has mentioned that Snoop is looking into acquiring that track. You could argue.. why spend any money on it.. streaming doesn't pay.. yada yada yada.. but it is the legacy of the song. Snoop/Dre's first commercial collab.. I'd argue why even drop 30th anniversary Doggystyle, Dr. Dre 30th anniversary Chronic in black jacket release for 2,5000 units .. vinyl is expensive to press.... those limited releases are just helping, in the grand scene of things, to hit sales numbers for said year.

Hell, even if we don't get any further releases, I am happy with my collection so far. I have a few more releases to obtain to try and complete my collection. Mostly during the WIDEawake days as I was not buying as many CDs in that era. Luckily they are plentiful online such as eBay etc.

Lastly, I was disappointed there was no official physical release of BODR. I guess at some point Snoop will prob have copies made (I recall another album of his that was never avail on vinyl or something like that was released on vinyl years later) but we will see.

Peace,
Jason ODB

People like Dre and Snoop have a brand. So if they put money into something like buying the rights of Deep Cover, or putting out a 30th anniversary album, it is basically like an advertising expense for themselves. They have a lot of income streams these days, and so they can do things like this to keep their names relevant.

Someone like Prince Ital Joe doesn't have brand recognition. He is RIP and has no other income streams. Investing in his music would lose money. Same with all the other lesser known acts.

[Soopafly DPGC]

@ Soopafly DPGC - I don’t disagree … I realize it more than likely isn’t going to happen but I also didn’t have Interscope dropping a longbox CD of The Chronic for Record Store Day in 2023 either. Ironically it was to celebrate the 30th anniversary but came out almost 31 years after the release date. But I am more than happy that so much music dropped during the WIDEawake days (maybe even right before when Suge still had control) and is avail on streaming. I have a playlist of a ton of later DRR releases including: 20 to Life Vol. 1 Rare and Dangerous, 20 to Life Vol 2 Rare and Dangerous, Escape from Death Row (I don’t think this was a DRR release), 2Pac Nu-Mixx (not my fav), Death Row - The Lost Sessions Vol. 1, Kurupt Against Tha Grain, OFTB Damn Near Dead, Tha Dogg Pound Doggy Bag, Kurupt Down and Dirty, Above the RIM maxi single tracks (before Snoop got DRR the previous regime pushed hard to have this released and it was FINALLY added to streaming), Tha Dogg Pound 2002, The Legendary Sam Sneed Street Scholars, Jewell’s self titled album, The Very Best of Death Row, etc. I know I am missing a few but for any DRR fan, WIDEawake did a lot of justice by dropping some gems.

There's a difference between doing something like creating a Chronic longbox or a colored vinyl of Doggystyle.  It's old music in different packaging.  All of the cost of the music has already been taken care of.  It's easy money.  This is much different than taking a bunch of unmixed reels from Bloody Mary and mixining it into an album and marketing it and paying for all the clearances. 

Yes, WideAwake did release some stuff, which i'm very appreciative of, even if it was hated on for being poorly mixed and mastered.  BUT, again, they made no money on those sales.  That Danny Boy album sold what?  Like 2,000 copies?  That probably didn't even cover the cost of production.  There's a reason WideAwake isn't in business anymore. 

Trust me, there are smart people in this world.  If people thought there was money to be made in the unreleased Death Row catalog, it would have been done already.