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abusive

Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2025, 09:37:26 AM »
Here are the verses in question for the guest reading. I would hate for you to be fooled by this antichrist spewing colorism theory.

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Numbers 12:1-4
1And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
2And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.
3(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
4And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.

Here's a verse I found of God putting the children of Israel (Jacob) and Ethiopian's on a level playing feild.
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Amos 9:7 - Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir?
 

Sccit

Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2025, 11:58:59 PM »
The biblical story didn't mention either one of them being black. You assume that Moses was white and his wife was black and that was the issue with them marrying. The issue wasn't mentioned. I suspect it was because Moses himself wasn't Ethiopian. It's common throughout the scriptures for people to want their family to marry those of the same country or land and in some cases their own family. There is zero context for people choosing or rejecting someone based off of their skin color. Especially in this situation.

Roman Catholicism and Christianity are two different religions. That's like me saying the the Hebrew Israelites and Judaism are the same religion. Only someone ignorant of history would say that they're the same.

The information in the videos still stands though. Nothing and I mean nothing you've said has refuted them.


nothing in the video refuted what i said in my post

jewish dna exists and links all jews of the diaspora together

some (ashkenazi) have intermixed more than others (mizrahi).. but they still carry the gene

catholicism is still based on the teachings of jesus christ .. the fact of the matter is that christianity spread through conversion and wasn't a religion linked to a tribe ala judaism .... that is why there is no "christian" gene on a dna test

this ain't rocket science homie 
 

abusive

Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2025, 10:15:49 AM »

nothing in the video refuted what i said in my post

jewish dna exists and links all jews of the diaspora together

some (ashkenazi) have intermixed more than others (mizrahi).. but they still carry the gene

catholicism is still based on the teachings of jesus christ .. the fact of the matter is that christianity spread through conversion and wasn't a religion linked to a tribe ala judaism .... that is why there is no "christian" gene on a dna test

this ain't rocket science homie
Hebrew Israelite teachings are based on the Torah. Try again. The first Christians were jews. Not to be confused with the religion of Judaism but actual jews.
 

Sccit

Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2025, 10:18:20 AM »
Hebrew Israelite teachings are based on the Torah. Try again. The first Christians were jews. Not to be confused with the religion of Judaism but actual jews.

jews who turned their back on the commandments of the torah
 

abusive

Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2025, 10:55:16 AM »
jews who turned their back on the commandments of the torah
Everything you've put forth i have refuted. It's a shame that you even put yourself through this.
 

Sccit

Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2025, 11:12:08 AM »
Everything you've put forth i have refuted. It's a shame that you even put yourself through this.


u didn't .. at all ... u couldn't even comprehend it


explain how there is a jewish gene that's prominent in all jews if it isn't a race within a religion



refute it
 

abusive

Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2025, 02:42:56 PM »

u didn't .. at all ... u couldn't even comprehend it


explain how there is a jewish gene that's prominent in all jews if it isn't a race within a religion



refute it
Nope. I've posted on that already.
 

Sccit

Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2025, 03:35:12 PM »
Nope. I've posted on that already.


u didn't answer it at all

but ok lol
 

abusive

Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2025, 09:27:14 PM »

nothing in the video refuted what i said in my post

jewish dna exists and links all jews of the diaspora together

some (ashkenazi) have intermixed more than others (mizrahi).. but they still carry the gene

catholicism is still based on the teachings of jesus christ .. the fact of the matter is that christianity spread through conversion and wasn't a religion linked to a tribe ala judaism .... that is why there is no "christian" gene on a dna test

this ain't rocket science homie
No it's not. You can't find Jesus advocating violence so obviously his teachings aren't where the violence they commit comes from. You talk the most but know the least. The only religion you've ever studied was your own. That's the difference between the two of us.
 

Sccit

Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2025, 10:46:36 PM »
No it's not. You can't find Jesus advocating violence so obviously his teachings aren't where the violence they commit comes from. You talk the most but know the least. The only religion you've ever studied was your own. That's the difference between the two of us.

that's like saying "islam is against forced conversion based on the teachings of the quran"

well guess what.. many islamist leaders still forced conversion en masse throughout history

just because the book says one thing doesn't mean all followers of the book will adhere to those teachings


constantine and the roman empire forced christianity on the masses well before catholicism even existed

those are facts, not opinions
 

abusive

Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2025, 02:03:18 PM »
catholicism is still based on the teachings of jesus christ ..

Christianity has been involved in forced conversions at various times throughout history. While the core teachings of Christianity emphasize free will and voluntary faith, in practice, some Christian leaders, empires, and institutions have used coercion, violence, or political pressure to convert people. Here are some notable examples:
🏰 Medieval Europe & Charlemagne (8th–9th centuries)
Charlemagne, the King of the Franks, led campaigns to convert the Saxons in present-day Germany. Those who resisted were sometimes killed, exiled, or forcibly baptized.
The Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae (a legal code) included death penalties for refusing baptism or practicing pagan rituals.
🇪🇸 Spanish Inquisition & Colonialism (15th–17th centuries)
In Spain, Jews and Muslims were pressured to convert or face expulsion or execution.
During colonization of the Americas, the Spanish and Portuguese empires forced indigenous populations to convert, often alongside the destruction of native religions and cultures.
Missionaries sometimes genuinely believed they were saving souls, but the methods often involved coercion, suppression of native languages, and cultural erasure.
🌍 Africa and Asia (Colonial Period)
In many colonized regions, European Christian missionaries accompanied imperial powers.
While many conversions were voluntary or semi-voluntary, the imbalance of power, economic dependency, or pressure from colonial administrators often played a role.
⛪ Eastern Europe & Russia
In some cases, Orthodox Christianity was used to pressure conversions in territories conquered by the Russian Empire.
Similarly, in Poland-Lithuania, religious policies shifted over time, and at some points, non-Catholics were pressured to convert.
🧭 Crusades (1095–1291)
The primary goal was to reclaim Christian control over the Holy Land, but in some cases, non-Christians were given the choice of conversion or death, particularly during massacres of Jews and Muslims.
Show me some scriptures where Jesus taught this stuff.
 

abusive

Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2025, 10:27:45 AM »
that's like saying "islam is against forced conversion based on the teachings of the quran"

well guess what.. many islamist leaders still forced conversion en masse throughout history

just because the book says one thing doesn't mean all followers of the book will adhere to those teachings


constantine and the roman empire forced christianity on the masses well before catholicism even existed

those are facts, not opinions
Islam does teach forced conversions and that's why leaders who follow the religion do it. Bad example.

The Roman Empire are the ones who killed Jesus. If you want to believe that Roman Catholicism is Christian or that you're a jew, you have a right to believe that.
 

Sccit

Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2025, 03:06:45 PM »
Islam does teach forced conversions and that's why leaders who follow the religion do it. Bad example.

The Roman Empire are the ones who killed Jesus. If you want to believe that Roman Catholicism is Christian or that you're a jew, you have a right to believe that.


wrong

forcing conversion is forbidden according to islam

but both muslims and christians still do it
 

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Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2025, 11:39:06 PM »

wrong

forcing conversion is forbidden according to islam

but both muslims and christians still do it

Unfortunately that's one of those big grey areas, and there are so many in the religion.  You have a lot of Muslim friends and I'm happy you are defending Islam and trying to present a fair viewpoint of the religion.  Because there is the verse of Qur'an that does say "There is no compulsion in religion" and they always market this aspect when appealing to outsiders for sympathy and to appear to be less threatening.

...then you actually get deep into the religion and you meet a lot of assholes that think it's perfectly fine to force someone into the religion and try to back up those claims using Qur'an, Hadith (alleged sayings of the Prophet) and things from the Sunnah/Sahaba (this means life of Muhammad and people who knew him) and even Fatwas from Scholars past and present.  They will come up with something and then you spend hours arguing them in the masjid and feel frustrated at the end of the day and thought we were all gonna sing "Kumbaya" by the fire place holding hands--but find out it's not quite the same on the inside as it is in some college reading material that presents Islam to the general public.
 

abusive

Re: Jewish or White? - Ben Shaprio its a religion
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2025, 09:02:52 AM »

wrong

forcing conversion is forbidden according to islam

but both muslims and christians still do it
Show me in the New Testament.