BEATS vs RHYMES

[R-Tistic]

Lyrics all the way, if I wanted to listen to hip hop for the "beats", I'd listen to the original tracks that were sampled, which I do. The rapper or the producer don't compose the music, or even play it, so I don't care too much about it. I rate the artist for the art he creates, not the art he buys the rights to.

I feel what you mean...but a lot of songs make old beats sound a whole lot better. If you listen to "Dr. Groove" from One Way, the group who did "Cutie Pie" the beat is kinda watery and nothin you'd really get into like that. But when you hear "I luv it" Battlecat flipped that beat to death. When they just sample a beat and repeat it it usually ain't too much better, but when they take elements from beats and re-do it in a modern way, it sounds dope as hell. "I ain't mad at ya" took the intro piano melody from an El Debarge song, and put different instruments behind it and then had a different melody durin the verses, and that was sick.

[vegaz]

 In I aint mad... are you talkin about the piano at the very beguining of the song or the piano melody that plays through the whole song? what is the name of the song by el debarge? I always wondered where that shit came from, thanks

[T-Dogg]

For me it's the lyrics just by an inch. I just love a funky beat, but a song ain't all that if it ain't got a good flow on top of it, you know? At least that's how I feel. Of course independently I'd listen to an instrumental before an acapella performance, but that's different.

[Shallow]

Lyrics all the way, if I wanted to listen to hip hop for the "beats", I'd listen to the original tracks that were sampled, which I do. The rapper or the producer don't compose the music, or even play it, so I don't care too much about it. I rate the artist for the art he creates, not the art he buys the rights to.

I feel what you mean...but a lot of songs make old beats sound a whole lot better. If you listen to "Dr. Groove" from One Way, the group who did "Cutie Pie" the beat is kinda watery and nothin you'd really get into like that. But when you hear "I luv it" Battlecat flipped that beat to death. When they just sample a beat and repeat it it usually ain't too much better, but when they take elements from beats and re-do it in a modern way, it sounds dope as hell. "I ain't mad at ya" took the intro piano melody from an El Debarge song, and put different instruments behind it and then had a different melody durin the verses, and that was sick.

The thing is that most of those other sounds in rap songs are just sampled from other songs and all put together for the track. It's not super easy but it's also not rocket science. It will always be 1000x more difficult to originally compose a apeice of music than it would be to add a few details to it. Also when industry producers sample thet have access to the masters, which allows them to break apart the song and only take certain parts that aren't apparent when listening to the actual song. I will always put a music composer over a hip hop producer. The producer's job isn't even to compose, it is to guide the artist and the track with helpful ideas.

[R-Tistic]

In I aint mad... are you talkin about the piano at the very beguining of the song or the piano melody that plays through the whole song? what is the name of the song by el debarge? I always wondered where that shit came from, thanks

Nah not the intro, I always play that part too but I donno where it came from. But the melody I am talkin about is the one that plays through the hook. I think The El Debarge song was called "A Dream"

[On The Edge of Insanity]

it's gotta be 50/50 beats and ryhmes...thats what hip-hop is? the mc and the dj.

Co-Sign

[The Big Bad Ass]

60/40 Beats/Lyrics for me. As stated above, I can get down with a good beat with bad lyrics, but its alot harder to get down with good lyrics bad beats.

[.:DayGoStyLz:.]

Just take a listen at the bullshit rappers on the radio right now...that all have good beats...Ying Yang, Lil John, etc...they sell alot of records, and cant rap for shit...

[7even]

rhymes. rhymes. lyrics.

"I wonder if yall still like this rap shit man, or if yall motherfuckers only like beats and hooks..." Crooked I

he's so right.

[yung-g]

i gottta go with BOTH .

because i simply can't decide on one choice. itz like the beats are the Attention-Grabber so that the listeners will play that shit, but if the lyrics aint heated, then that shit will just bore me, and i'll switch tracks. nomatter how tyte a beat is, unless i'm in a car wit some 12's or sumthin.

[Insert_Name]

i'm all about the beats!

[Kill]

it's gotta be 50/50 beats and ryhmes...thats what hip-hop is? the mc and the dj.

Co-Sign

[.:DayGoStyLz:.]

rhymes. rhymes. lyrics.

"I wonder if yall still like this rap shit man, or if yall motherfuckers only like beats and hooks..." Crooked I

he's so right.

lyrics are important, u right. i aint a beatmaker or no shit like that, i spit...so obviously they important to me. but think about it, how many hits have good beats....and bad lyrics, and how many have good lyrics....with bad beats? its almost always the first. Like Mitch said..."Production is most important". U could drive around town in yah car bumpin nuthin but a beat, and still be bobbin yah head...still have otha people bobbin they head, but u wouldnt drive around jus listenin to some lyrics, and no beat.

[7even]

rhymes. rhymes. lyrics.

"I wonder if yall still like this rap shit man, or if yall motherfuckers only like beats and hooks..." Crooked I

he's so right.

lyrics are important, u right. i aint a beatmaker or no shit like that, i spit...so obviously they important to me. but think about it, how many hits have good beats....and bad lyrics, and how many have good lyrics....with bad beats? its almost always the first. Like Mitch said..."Production is most important". U could drive around town in yah car bumpin nuthin but a beat, and still be bobbin yah head...still have otha people bobbin they head, but u wouldnt drive around jus listenin to some lyrics, and no beat.

lol did the topic say what is more important if you wanna sell-out? or what is more important for the superficial majority of our population?
No.
question was, what's more important to me. so screw hits. songs that are hits to me, always have great lyrics.
it's also a difference if youre just listening to a song while doing some other stuff, in that case the beat will be more important since you only get music on its surface then. but if you really get into a song, really feeling it.. to me the lyrics are significantly more important then. and I bobbed my head to a capellas already, no shit.

[.:DayGoStyLz:.]

rhymes. rhymes. lyrics.

"I wonder if yall still like this rap shit man, or if yall motherfuckers only like beats and hooks..." Crooked I

he's so right.

lyrics are important, u right. i aint a beatmaker or no shit like that, i spit...so obviously they important to me. but think about it, how many hits have good beats....and bad lyrics, and how many have good lyrics....with bad beats? its almost always the first. Like Mitch said..."Production is most important". U could drive around town in yah car bumpin nuthin but a beat, and still be bobbin yah head...still have otha people bobbin they head, but u wouldnt drive around jus listenin to some lyrics, and no beat.

lol did the topic say what is more important if you wanna sell-out? or what is more important for the superficial majority of our population?
No.
question was, what's more important to me. so screw hits. songs that are hits to me, always have great lyrics.
it's also a difference if youre just listening to a song while doing some other stuff, in that case the beat will be more important since you only get music on its surface then. but if you really get into a song, really feeling it.. to me the lyrics are significantly more important then. and I bobbed my head to a capellas already, no shit.

i aint talkin about sellin out fool. im just showin what most people are into. if i make a cd, i want people to buy the shit....u know? wouldnt u? it doesnt mean u sell out, it means u understand. Production is everything. ive heard some of tha tightest lyricist that you would have never known cus they aint even make it out the city...why, cus they production was burnt. like i said, im into my lyrics n shit...but i know if i dont find the right beat to spit over, my lyrics wont even be heard. the beat is the first thing u hear on a song, it determines whether u even listen long enough...to hear the lyrics. its coo if u into lyrics more then the beat, but yo system must sound wack when u pull up to the light...wit nuhn but lyrics and no beat lol