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Quote from: Mac 10 † on September 17, 2009, 07:20:10 AMQuote from: Escrooge on September 17, 2009, 07:09:28 AMwhat other albums of jay-z was number 1.See for yourself.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Z_discographyI only counted 9 number 1 albums. When you release an album every 15 months for the last 14 years it's not that hard to get a lot of number 1 albums. I bet with all his 9 or 11 #1 albums he has about 15 weeks at number 1. Going #1 isn't what it used to be. In the old days you were given a small realase slwly the across the country and only went number #1 if the album was deemed good enough by the public to go #1 in it's 5th or 6th week, many times way later, and then it stayed #1 for a bit and in the top 5 for a long time.In 1984, 5 albums went #1; Thriller, Footloose, Sports, Born in the USA, and Purle Rain. And 4 of those 5 spent at least an entire month at #1 and all of them stayed in the top 10 for over a year and went diamond. In 2009, so far, there are almost 30 #1 albums and every a few weeks 90% of them leave the top 20. Going number one these days just means you were released on a slow week and you had all of your promotion focused on first week sales.
Quote from: Escrooge on September 17, 2009, 07:09:28 AMwhat other albums of jay-z was number 1.See for yourself.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Z_discography
what other albums of jay-z was number 1.
I only counted 9 number 1 albums. When you release an album every 15 months for the last 14 years it's not that hard to get a lot of number 1 albums. I bet with all his 9 or 11 #1 albums he has about 15 weeks at number 1. Going #1 isn't what it used to be. In the old days you were given a small realase slwly the across the country and only went number #1 if the album was deemed good enough by the public to go #1 in it's 5th or 6th week, many times way later, and then it stayed #1 for a bit and in the top 5 for a long time.
Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on September 17, 2009, 11:47:16 AMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on September 17, 2009, 10:09:48 AMQuote from: Episcop Cruel Cvrle on September 16, 2009, 11:28:17 PMwooow, great shit for jigga tho album wasnt great as i expected, some tracks are for skipping really.Im really happy for Raekwon dude did 70 k, thats great today!ps. Slaughterhouse sold 35k since the album release.great numbers for Jay indeed.i remember all the people talking about how Wu is SO relevant & Slaughterhouse is not, but i think Jay sets the standard in that conversation of was "relevant" means. funny, I remember people saying that Slaughterhouse was relevant and no one buys Wu anymore. Weren't you the one comparing Padded Room sales to Chamber Music?lol was not me.i probably said Slaughterhouse is more relevant today at some point.but like said, Jay-Z showed what kind of numbers you have to do to be "relevant".but i'll also say, note how this doesn't relate to music; Slaughterhouse, Joe Budden & Raekwon have put out better albums this year, but Jay gets the sales; solid album, but not as good as the names i just mentioned.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 17, 2009, 10:09:48 AMQuote from: Episcop Cruel Cvrle on September 16, 2009, 11:28:17 PMwooow, great shit for jigga tho album wasnt great as i expected, some tracks are for skipping really.Im really happy for Raekwon dude did 70 k, thats great today!ps. Slaughterhouse sold 35k since the album release.great numbers for Jay indeed.i remember all the people talking about how Wu is SO relevant & Slaughterhouse is not, but i think Jay sets the standard in that conversation of was "relevant" means. funny, I remember people saying that Slaughterhouse was relevant and no one buys Wu anymore. Weren't you the one comparing Padded Room sales to Chamber Music?
Quote from: Episcop Cruel Cvrle on September 16, 2009, 11:28:17 PMwooow, great shit for jigga tho album wasnt great as i expected, some tracks are for skipping really.Im really happy for Raekwon dude did 70 k, thats great today!ps. Slaughterhouse sold 35k since the album release.great numbers for Jay indeed.i remember all the people talking about how Wu is SO relevant & Slaughterhouse is not, but i think Jay sets the standard in that conversation of was "relevant" means.
wooow, great shit for jigga tho album wasnt great as i expected, some tracks are for skipping really.Im really happy for Raekwon dude did 70 k, thats great today!ps. Slaughterhouse sold 35k since the album release.
Quote from: Shallow on September 17, 2009, 10:32:39 AMI only counted 9 number 1 albums. When you release an album every 15 months for the last 14 years it's not that hard to get a lot of number 1 albums. I bet with all his 9 or 11 #1 albums he has about 15 weeks at number 1. Going #1 isn't what it used to be. In the old days you were given a small realase slwly the across the country and only went number #1 if the album was deemed good enough by the public to go #1 in it's 5th or 6th week, many times way later, and then it stayed #1 for a bit and in the top 5 for a long time. But how many artists have the kind of work ethic and mainstream popularity to put out albums every 15 months? I'll admit that Jay's shit ain't always my cup of tea and he ain't in my top 5 but the guy knows how to keep himself relevant. You don't have artists constinently dropping #1 albums (whether it's 5, 7, 9, 11) without there being something special about how the public reacts to them. I mean, the guy was name-checked by the fucking President as one of his favorite artists. That's pretty fucking big. That doesn't mean he's the best rapper alive but it says a lot about his popularity.
Yeah don't realy understand why people keep saying Jay buys his own albums. Dude knows how to promote his album and he always presents a full body of work, not just a single. 11th number one album, damn. And the album has grown on me a lot.
Quote from: Meho on September 17, 2009, 03:40:01 AMYeah don't realy understand why people keep saying Jay buys his own albums. Dude knows how to promote his album and he always presents a full body of work, not just a single. 11th number one album, damn. And the album has grown on me a lot.Didn't Kingdome Come see a 70% sth drop in its second week ? this kind of thing will always start rumors and imply suspicion ... I wouldnt be surprised if BP III second week sales are between 100-110k at best ... big stars 1st week sales are often great but then it depends on the quality of the album ... Jay 2 latest albums sales were nothing great after 1st week , same thing for Relapse ... why ? because they were weak efforts
^^ But it means that he's managed to maintain some level of relevance. Most artists after 5 albums would've lost the publics attention. I have to give props to him to managing to stay selling records even if I don't like his new album.
It's impossible to compare 1984 with 2009...We can get the music for free now and that isn't counted by soundscan. and if they could count that albums would actually do higher numbers because people don't have to pay and get into more artist then they could 1984EDIT: Raekwon moved good numbers, a bit less then fabo's album iirc and he's mainstream as fuck
But how many artists have the kind of work ethic and mainstream popularity to put out albums every 15 months? I'll admit that Jay's shit ain't always my cup of tea and he ain't in my top 5 but the guy knows how to keep himself relevant. You don't have artists constinently dropping #1 albums (whether it's 5, 7, 9, 11) without there being something special about how the public reacts to them. I mean, the guy was name-checked by the fucking President as one of his favorite artists. That's pretty fucking big. That doesn't mean he's the best rapper alive but it says a lot about his popularity.
While some of what you say is a valid argument but c'mon shallow are you really trying to compare dubbing a tape to the way we bootleg now a days, c'mon really. You don't even have to leave you house anymore for any aspect. Back in the day you would have to at least run to the store and buy tapes. You would have to wait for the radio DJ to play the music. Now you get the music when you want and throw it on your mp3 player. You don't even need cd's anymore. Really you need to dead that argument because it hurts your overall argument much more than it helps.
To argue that because we can get more music faster is the reason why we don't buy as much of the big name stars is absurd to me.
Quote from: Shallow on September 17, 2009, 08:35:21 PMTo argue that because we can get more music faster is the reason why we don't buy as much of the big name stars is absurd to me.Its not absurd to me. I listen to way more music now then I did back in the 90s and early 00s. And back then I bought albums before I had heard them entirely, based on how many radio singles I liked. Now I limit my purchases to albums I really really like and have heard all the way through.We used to be limited to what music we were exposed to by the radio. They played certain singles for several weeks in a row, or months. If they played enough songs on an album that I liked, I would buy the album. Now I listen to several albums a day and honestly I can't afford to buy them all. I can definitely see an argument there. I probably would have bought The Blueprint 3 if it were 5 years ago.
Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on September 17, 2009, 09:20:14 PMQuote from: Shallow on September 17, 2009, 08:35:21 PMTo argue that because we can get more music faster is the reason why we don't buy as much of the big name stars is absurd to me.Its not absurd to me. I listen to way more music now then I did back in the 90s and early 00s. And back then I bought albums before I had heard them entirely, based on how many radio singles I liked. Now I limit my purchases to albums I really really like and have heard all the way through.We used to be limited to what music we were exposed to by the radio. They played certain singles for several weeks in a row, or months. If they played enough songs on an album that I liked, I would buy the album. Now I listen to several albums a day and honestly I can't afford to buy them all. I can definitely see an argument there. I probably would have bought The Blueprint 3 if it were 5 years ago.I think the real problem is how young you guys were before the internet era. Everybody I knew that loved hip hop had every rap album that came out by the major stars. I have every major West Coast release and some I have multiple copies. But I only purchased Doggystyle, Chronic, Regulate, Dogg Food and All Eyes on Me. Yeah they were shitty audio casette quality but we listened to them using shitty casette players on the street corner. Trust me, on those thngs there is no difference between CD and dubbed tape. When burners came out it was a lot easier. You know what's as good as the internet to most teenage music fans? The school hallways. All it took was 1 guy to have the real album in 1995 and everyone that wanted that album had it by the end of the week. And if you lived in a ghetto it was a lot easier.Why would I buy an album when I have and exact CD replica of it? Because it's good enough to buy.If Blueprint 3 was released 5 years ago you "probably" would have bought. What if it was released tomorrow and it was better than Blueprint 1?
Plenty of artists have that kind of work ethic. They just refuse to release shitty material. Jay wanted 5 or 6 mediocre albums instead of 2 classics. So he released a bunch of tracks that would have been filler if he paced himself.Like I said it doesn't mean I think he sucks or that he isn't relevant. It means he'd never go #1 all these times if albums were released market to market first then released massively.My favourite artist is Bruce Springsteen. I love his old stuff and really dig his new stuff too. But he's hardly still relevant in the modern music scene or world. He got the Superbowl and all the Obama stuff because a lot of hard core Springsteen fans happen to be people in positions of power and keep begging him to come and do this and that just to show him off and see him themselves. Everytime he releases an album it goes #1 the first week and by week 5 it's barely in the top 50. He's got hundreds to thousands of tracks at home and he could package them into albums every 6 months and make sure they debut on slow weeks and end up with 2 #1 albums a year every year until his hardcore base all dies 25 years from now. But it wouldn't mean shit when compared to his first 3 #1 albums or the Beatles first 5. The Jonas brothers could do the exact same thing over the next two or three years and end up with 15 #1 albums if the positioning was right. Def Leppard's Pyromania sold 6 million copies in just over 1 year and ended up going diamond but it was never #1. Because it was released during the Thriller craze. That one album sold almost as much as all of Jay Z's 11 albums. You want a modern example? Try Human Clay by Creed. It was released in September 99 (Napster was already big by then), spent two weeks at #1 in mid october and then never again, but the fucking thing was diamond by 2001.People can blame whatever they want but if enough people like enough of the songs enough people will buy the album to make it go diamond, or near it anyway. If Jay can't get those numbers it's because the music isn't there.