Randy Moss Should be MVP?

[OG Hack Wilson]

brady = system qb

[Sub-Z]

Hell yea fam........

after all da bullshit in his career actually this year we can argue that fasho.......

[M Dogg™]

The difference between the Patriots being a contender and the Pats being possibly the greatest team ever is Randy Moss. I say Randy Moss is the MVP, they've always had Brady, but Moss is the difference maker.

[Don Jacob]

i wouldn't have a problem with giving it to moss.

[Chamillitary Click]

then peyton must be a TERRIBLE qb, with his two receivers.

i understand the point you're tryna make, but that's not necessarily true. Moss went to N.E already as an established WR, were-as Harrison, Wayne, Clark, and even that Gonzalez kid came to Indy as all rookies and have been molded into top targets.

i guess, but bradys won the super bowl wit branch, and givens. i mean stallworth and moss is def. a better combo (not to mention welker is an absolute monster). so sure randy is a factor in brady breakin records, and there 16-0 season, but brady has shown he can win a super bowl and play lik an mvp w/o randy.

QBs don't win Superbowls. Teams do. If Brady was on Buffalo all these years he'd have zero Superbowls. Zero playoff wins, and no one would care about him. Everything NE did the past few years could have been done with Bledsoe. No one wants to believe it but it's true. NE would have beaten St. Lous that year with Bledsoe just like they beat The Steelers when Bledsoe came in for Brady in the AFC Championship. Every year NE won they controlled the line on both sides and that is what won them the Superbowls. You control the line and don't make stupid mistakes and you win the game, every time.

controlling both sides wins every team their superbowl. brady still deserves mvp though. i think it's safe to say that he has the passing td record (not to jnyx the guy), but how can you break a record like that and not get mvp? i mean i could see if LT played better than he did last year and took it, but no else comes close to brady this year. also, let me ask you guys...if you say moss makes brady, or moss deserves mvp, then tell me how this is by far his best season, and why couldnt moss do this in oakland and make kerry collins or whoever was qb into what moss "made" brady...?

[Lunatic]

if you say moss makes brady, or moss deserves mvp, then tell me how this is by far his best season, and why couldnt moss do this in oakland and make kerry collins or whoever was qb into what moss "made" brady...?

very true

[Shallow]

then peyton must be a TERRIBLE qb, with his two receivers.

i understand the point you're tryna make, but that's not necessarily true. Moss went to N.E already as an established WR, were-as Harrison, Wayne, Clark, and even that Gonzalez kid came to Indy as all rookies and have been molded into top targets.

i guess, but bradys won the super bowl wit branch, and givens. i mean stallworth and moss is def. a better combo (not to mention welker is an absolute monster). so sure randy is a factor in brady breakin records, and there 16-0 season, but brady has shown he can win a super bowl and play lik an mvp w/o randy.

QBs don't win Superbowls. Teams do. If Brady was on Buffalo all these years he'd have zero Superbowls. Zero playoff wins, and no one would care about him. Everything NE did the past few years could have been done with Bledsoe. No one wants to believe it but it's true. NE would have beaten St. Lous that year with Bledsoe just like they beat The Steelers when Bledsoe came in for Brady in the AFC Championship. Every year NE won they controlled the line on both sides and that is what won them the Superbowls. You control the line and don't make stupid mistakes and you win the game, every time.

controlling both sides wins every team their superbowl. brady still deserves mvp though. i think it's safe to say that he has the passing td record (not to jnyx the guy), but how can you break a record like that and not get mvp? i mean i could see if LT played better than he did last year and took it, but no else comes close to brady this year. also, let me ask you guys...if you say moss makes brady, or moss deserves mvp, then tell me how this is by far his best season, and why couldnt moss do this in oakland and make kerry collins or whoever was qb into what moss "made" brady...?

I never said Moss. I said Light. The O-line is the best O-line I've ever seen. No one Moss played with before had as much time to throw, giving Moss as much time to get open and to get down field. Take away the strong protection on the blind side and both Moss and Brady look average. Indy did it. Philly did it. and Baltimore did it. They got past Light and then they shut down the offense. Unforunately bad defense at the end and bonehead offense at bad times made all those teams lose. The NE offense was not the reason any of those wins occurred.

I think he'll win it. I just judge value on other merits. I really do believe that if Cassel played all season they'd still win their division and still have a first rnd bye. Now they may not have beaten the Colts, but they might have even with Cassel. I do not think the Colts would be above Jacksonville if Sorgi payed all season.

My pick for MVP a while back was Favre, but that may have been premature. In the end I don't believe in the award. It's a stupid award that recognizes individual effort in a very team oriented game. QBs get too much credit and too much blame. They are great when the team around them makes plays and terrible when the team around them doesn't. Very lttle to do with them. No one player can really turn around a team just by being on the field. Just because one player gets credit doesn't mean he should get it.

[Twentytwofifty]

lol @ some people

The QB is the most important position in football and Tom Brady is having the best season for a quarterback ever AND taking his team to an undefeated record.  He's winning unanimously, book it.

[Chamillitary Click]

then peyton must be a TERRIBLE qb, with his two receivers.

i understand the point you're tryna make, but that's not necessarily true. Moss went to N.E already as an established WR, were-as Harrison, Wayne, Clark, and even that Gonzalez kid came to Indy as all rookies and have been molded into top targets.

i guess, but bradys won the super bowl wit branch, and givens. i mean stallworth and moss is def. a better combo (not to mention welker is an absolute monster). so sure randy is a factor in brady breakin records, and there 16-0 season, but brady has shown he can win a super bowl and play lik an mvp w/o randy.

QBs don't win Superbowls. Teams do. If Brady was on Buffalo all these years he'd have zero Superbowls. Zero playoff wins, and no one would care about him. Everything NE did the past few years could have been done with Bledsoe. No one wants to believe it but it's true. NE would have beaten St. Lous that year with Bledsoe just like they beat The Steelers when Bledsoe came in for Brady in the AFC Championship. Every year NE won they controlled the line on both sides and that is what won them the Superbowls. You control the line and don't make stupid mistakes and you win the game, every time.

controlling both sides wins every team their superbowl. brady still deserves mvp though. i think it's safe to say that he has the passing td record (not to jnyx the guy), but how can you break a record like that and not get mvp? i mean i could see if LT played better than he did last year and took it, but no else comes close to brady this year. also, let me ask you guys...if you say moss makes brady, or moss deserves mvp, then tell me how this is by far his best season, and why couldnt moss do this in oakland and make kerry collins or whoever was qb into what moss "made" brady...?

I never said Moss. I said Light. The O-line is the best O-line I've ever seen. No one Moss played with before had as much time to throw, giving Moss as much time to get open and to get down field. Take away the strong protection on the blind side and both Moss and Brady look average. Indy did it. Philly did it. and Baltimore did it. They got past Light and then they shut down the offense. Unforunately bad defense at the end and bonehead offense at bad times made all those teams lose. The NE offense was not the reason any of those wins occurred.

I think he'll win it. I just judge value on other merits. I really do believe that if Cassel played all season they'd still win their division and still have a first rnd bye. Now they may not have beaten the Colts, but they might have even with Cassel. I do not think the Colts would be above Jacksonville if Sorgi payed all season.

My pick for MVP a while back was Favre, but that may have been premature. In the end I don't believe in the award. It's a stupid award that recognizes individual effort in a very team oriented game. QBs get too much credit and too much blame. They are great when the team around them makes plays and terrible when the team around them doesn't. Very lttle to do with them. No one player can really turn around a team just by being on the field. Just because one player gets credit doesn't mean he should get it.

i get what your saying, but one thing is confusing me GREATLY...are you trying to say that the MVP of the national football league should go to Matt Light?

[Shallow]

then peyton must be a TERRIBLE qb, with his two receivers.

i understand the point you're tryna make, but that's not necessarily true. Moss went to N.E already as an established WR, were-as Harrison, Wayne, Clark, and even that Gonzalez kid came to Indy as all rookies and have been molded into top targets.

i guess, but bradys won the super bowl wit branch, and givens. i mean stallworth and moss is def. a better combo (not to mention welker is an absolute monster). so sure randy is a factor in brady breakin records, and there 16-0 season, but brady has shown he can win a super bowl and play lik an mvp w/o randy.

QBs don't win Superbowls. Teams do. If Brady was on Buffalo all these years he'd have zero Superbowls. Zero playoff wins, and no one would care about him. Everything NE did the past few years could have been done with Bledsoe. No one wants to believe it but it's true. NE would have beaten St. Lous that year with Bledsoe just like they beat The Steelers when Bledsoe came in for Brady in the AFC Championship. Every year NE won they controlled the line on both sides and that is what won them the Superbowls. You control the line and don't make stupid mistakes and you win the game, every time.

controlling both sides wins every team their superbowl. brady still deserves mvp though. i think it's safe to say that he has the passing td record (not to jnyx the guy), but how can you break a record like that and not get mvp? i mean i could see if LT played better than he did last year and took it, but no else comes close to brady this year. also, let me ask you guys...if you say moss makes brady, or moss deserves mvp, then tell me how this is by far his best season, and why couldnt moss do this in oakland and make kerry collins or whoever was qb into what moss "made" brady...?

I never said Moss. I said Light. The O-line is the best O-line I've ever seen. No one Moss played with before had as much time to throw, giving Moss as much time to get open and to get down field. Take away the strong protection on the blind side and both Moss and Brady look average. Indy did it. Philly did it. and Baltimore did it. They got past Light and then they shut down the offense. Unforunately bad defense at the end and bonehead offense at bad times made all those teams lose. The NE offense was not the reason any of those wins occurred.

I think he'll win it. I just judge value on other merits. I really do believe that if Cassel played all season they'd still win their division and still have a first rnd bye. Now they may not have beaten the Colts, but they might have even with Cassel. I do not think the Colts would be above Jacksonville if Sorgi payed all season.

My pick for MVP a while back was Favre, but that may have been premature. In the end I don't believe in the award. It's a stupid award that recognizes individual effort in a very team oriented game. QBs get too much credit and too much blame. They are great when the team around them makes plays and terrible when the team around them doesn't. Very lttle to do with them. No one player can really turn around a team just by being on the field. Just because one player gets credit doesn't mean he should get it.

i get what your saying, but one thing is confusing me GREATLY...are you trying to say that the MVP of the national football league should go to Matt Light?

No, I said his performance on the blind side is as big if not bigger reason for the big pass game than Brady or Moss. No one should be MVP ever. It's never judged faitly. AP gets all this credit for huge numbers as a rookie in Minn, but the other guy gets big plays and big numbers too, and the blockers get no credit. The play calling and a practosing never even enters the equation. You never know just how valuable a player is based on numbers or performance in the NFL.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Why wasn't Moss playing like this with the Raiders?

[M Dogg™]

Why wasn't Moss playing like this with the Raiders?

The line couldn't hold up long enough for such greats like Aaron Brooks, and Kerry Collins and Andrew Walter to get Moss the ball.

[Lunatic]

The line couldn't hold up long enough for such greats like Aaron Brooks, and Kerry Collins and Andrew Walter to get Moss the ball.

LMAO

[Shallow]

Why wasn't Moss playing like this with the Raiders?

The line couldn't hold up long enough for such greats like Aaron Brooks, and Kerry Collins and Andrew Walter to get Moss the ball.

Two words; Drew Bledsoe. He came in to Buffalo with a decent O-line and threw 4400 yars, 24 TDs with an offense that was not top 10 and the team goes 8-8 losing some close ones. The next year the O-line sucks, I was a huge Bills fan and saw every game, and Drew throws 2800 yards and 11 TDs with a 6-10 season. Scrambling QBs can do okay with bad o-lines, and Marino and Manning could always let the ball go quickly but I'd like to see bad o-line on a Superbowl team. Even the Ravens could move the cahis and kill the clock.

[Chamillitary Click]

then peyton must be a TERRIBLE qb, with his two receivers.

i understand the point you're tryna make, but that's not necessarily true. Moss went to N.E already as an established WR, were-as Harrison, Wayne, Clark, and even that Gonzalez kid came to Indy as all rookies and have been molded into top targets.

i guess, but bradys won the super bowl wit branch, and givens. i mean stallworth and moss is def. a better combo (not to mention welker is an absolute monster). so sure randy is a factor in brady breakin records, and there 16-0 season, but brady has shown he can win a super bowl and play lik an mvp w/o randy.

QBs don't win Superbowls. Teams do. If Brady was on Buffalo all these years he'd have zero Superbowls. Zero playoff wins, and no one would care about him. Everything NE did the past few years could have been done with Bledsoe. No one wants to believe it but it's true. NE would have beaten St. Lous that year with Bledsoe just like they beat The Steelers when Bledsoe came in for Brady in the AFC Championship. Every year NE won they controlled the line on both sides and that is what won them the Superbowls. You control the line and don't make stupid mistakes and you win the game, every time.

controlling both sides wins every team their superbowl. brady still deserves mvp though. i think it's safe to say that he has the passing td record (not to jnyx the guy), but how can you break a record like that and not get mvp? i mean i could see if LT played better than he did last year and took it, but no else comes close to brady this year. also, let me ask you guys...if you say moss makes brady, or moss deserves mvp, then tell me how this is by far his best season, and why couldnt moss do this in oakland and make kerry collins or whoever was qb into what moss "made" brady...?

I never said Moss. I said Light. The O-line is the best O-line I've ever seen. No one Moss played with before had as much time to throw, giving Moss as much time to get open and to get down field. Take away the strong protection on the blind side and both Moss and Brady look average. Indy did it. Philly did it. and Baltimore did it. They got past Light and then they shut down the offense. Unforunately bad defense at the end and bonehead offense at bad times made all those teams lose. The NE offense was not the reason any of those wins occurred.

I think he'll win it. I just judge value on other merits. I really do believe that if Cassel played all season they'd still win their division and still have a first rnd bye. Now they may not have beaten the Colts, but they might have even with Cassel. I do not think the Colts would be above Jacksonville if Sorgi payed all season.

My pick for MVP a while back was Favre, but that may have been premature. In the end I don't believe in the award. It's a stupid award that recognizes individual effort in a very team oriented game. QBs get too much credit and too much blame. They are great when the team around them makes plays and terrible when the team around them doesn't. Very lttle to do with them. No one player can really turn around a team just by being on the field. Just because one player gets credit doesn't mean he should get it.

i get what your saying, but one thing is confusing me GREATLY...are you trying to say that the MVP of the national football league should go to Matt Light?

No, I said his performance on the blind side is as big if not bigger reason for the big pass game than Brady or Moss. No one should be MVP ever. It's never judged faitly. AP gets all this credit for huge numbers as a rookie in Minn, but the other guy gets big plays and big numbers too, and the blockers get no credit. The play calling and a practosing never even enters the equation. You never know just how valuable a player is based on numbers or performance in the NFL.

ohh, i see what your saying and that makes alot of sense actually lol. but since there is an mvp, and it will go to a QB, RB, or WR, it will go to brady