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Quote from: Shallow on January 11, 2011, 06:34:48 AMQuote from: THE RAPTURE on January 10, 2011, 10:09:36 PMQuote from: Shallow on January 10, 2011, 06:22:23 PMThe bottom line is he is a relevant marketable star based on his art, rather than his celebrity. People like the songs so they buy the music. What a novel idea. If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art.There's more to it than that. Kanye West put out an album that had the best critical reception in years and its selling nothing like Ems. Do you really believe that if Jay-Z put out an album on the level of The Blueprint or Reasonable Doubt that it would have monster sales? Its about Eminem being Eminem, not about his music being better than others (which it isn't)I'm not talking about something being great. I'm talking about something being a hit. I can name you plenty of Niel Young albums that get praised across the board, even 30 years later but they couldn't sell for shit. Nothing I've heard by Kanye since Gold Digger has been a hit. Jay Z had the NY song but that's it.The Em and Rihanna song was a hit and that's why it sold where albums like Relapse could not. I'd argue that Encore didn't really have a hit either but he was so famous and hot during that release that he could have released anything and it would have sold. Of course who he is has something to do with it, but if a completely new artist released the exact same song with Rihanna it still would have done better than anything I've heard so far on Kanye's album.You never make any sense with your posts. How can Gold Digger be Ye's last hit? You're completely skipping over the rest of his albums. Love Lockdown? Heartless? Stronger? Flashing Lights? Good Life? Jay-Z's last album had Empire State of Mind, Young Forever and Run This Town. Cmon now.And honestly, if a completely new artist had released the same song I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't chart at all. If it had, it wouldn't be a monster. The song was big on account of Eminem's star power. You just admitted yourself that he can release anything and sell (which is what I feel he did).Quote from: Shallow on January 11, 2011, 04:25:32 PMI personally can name every track from Reasonable to Blueprint, but I haven't bought or listen to any Jay albums since then, and I cannot really think of a single hit he's had since then.This says it all right here. If you choose to ignore the music that artists put out then that's on you. The fact remains that they have continued to be successful. Fyi, both Empire State of Mind and Run This Town charted higher than any song from the period in in which you chose to listen to Jay albums.You sound like you're backpedalling from what you originally said."If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art."I think this requires some kind of explanation. You talk about the art in music, but then you go on to say you're talking about "hits". You'd really rather see Kanye make a pop song with Rihanna on the hook than come out with an amazing album? That perception is what's taking the art out of the music, if anything.And just for kicks I'd just like to point out something I've noticed, that in every discussion without fail you bring up an artist completely unrelated to hip hop. Its not really a good look for a hip hop discussion.
Quote from: THE RAPTURE on January 10, 2011, 10:09:36 PMQuote from: Shallow on January 10, 2011, 06:22:23 PMThe bottom line is he is a relevant marketable star based on his art, rather than his celebrity. People like the songs so they buy the music. What a novel idea. If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art.There's more to it than that. Kanye West put out an album that had the best critical reception in years and its selling nothing like Ems. Do you really believe that if Jay-Z put out an album on the level of The Blueprint or Reasonable Doubt that it would have monster sales? Its about Eminem being Eminem, not about his music being better than others (which it isn't)I'm not talking about something being great. I'm talking about something being a hit. I can name you plenty of Niel Young albums that get praised across the board, even 30 years later but they couldn't sell for shit. Nothing I've heard by Kanye since Gold Digger has been a hit. Jay Z had the NY song but that's it.The Em and Rihanna song was a hit and that's why it sold where albums like Relapse could not. I'd argue that Encore didn't really have a hit either but he was so famous and hot during that release that he could have released anything and it would have sold. Of course who he is has something to do with it, but if a completely new artist released the exact same song with Rihanna it still would have done better than anything I've heard so far on Kanye's album.
Quote from: Shallow on January 10, 2011, 06:22:23 PMThe bottom line is he is a relevant marketable star based on his art, rather than his celebrity. People like the songs so they buy the music. What a novel idea. If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art.There's more to it than that. Kanye West put out an album that had the best critical reception in years and its selling nothing like Ems. Do you really believe that if Jay-Z put out an album on the level of The Blueprint or Reasonable Doubt that it would have monster sales? Its about Eminem being Eminem, not about his music being better than others (which it isn't)
The bottom line is he is a relevant marketable star based on his art, rather than his celebrity. People like the songs so they buy the music. What a novel idea. If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art.
I personally can name every track from Reasonable to Blueprint, but I haven't bought or listen to any Jay albums since then, and I cannot really think of a single hit he's had since then.
You never make any sense with your posts. How can Gold Digger be Ye's last hit? You're completely skipping over the rest of his albums. Love Lockdown? Heartless? Stronger? Flashing Lights? Good Life? Jay-Z's last album had Empire State of Mind, Young Forever and Run This Town. Cmon now.And honestly, if a completely new artist had released the same song I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't chart at all. If it had, it wouldn't be a monster. The song was big on account of Eminem's star power. You just admitted yourself that he can release anything and sell (which is what I feel he did).
This says it all right here. If you choose to ignore the music that artists put out then that's on you. The fact remains that they have continued to be successful. Fyi, both Empire State of Mind and Run This Town charted higher than any song from the period in in which you chose to listen to Jay albums.You sound like you're backpedalling from what you originally said."If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art."I think this requires some kind of explanation. You talk about the art in music, but then you go on to say you're talking about "hits". You'd really rather see Kanye make a pop song with Rihanna on the hook than come out with an amazing album? That perception is what's taking the art out of the music, if anything.And just for kicks I'd just like to point out something I've noticed, that in every discussion without fail you bring up an artist completely unrelated to hip hop. Its not really a good look for a hip hop discussion.
I know stronger but more as a daft punk song and that's about it.
Quote from: Shallow on January 12, 2011, 08:22:10 AMI know stronger but more as a daft punk song and that's about it. lmao.so you refer to every rap song as the original sampled artists? or did sampling daft punk just cripple your lil world so much that you couldnt even just call it a kanye song?
Quote from: SCREWFACE on January 12, 2011, 11:09:44 AMQuote from: Shallow on January 12, 2011, 08:22:10 AMI know stronger but more as a daft punk song and that's about it. lmao.so you refer to every rap song as the original sampled artists? or did sampling daft punk just cripple your lil world so much that you couldnt even just call it a kanye song?to be fair, that particular song was a straight jacking. Kanye showed laziness there.
i'd say it's cause eminem is white and not his talent. everyone knows that's the truth but it's not the popular opinion