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Quote from: Jrome The Don Killuminati on September 16, 2011, 11:18:08 AMSo you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre? On an individual chart level? Yes. It was a bigger hit. However, popularity is a tough thing to measure. Those songs you mention are from a different era and have aged significantly well in the 10-18 years they've been out. But the fact is "I Need A Doctor" is one of Dr. Dre's most succesful singles.
So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
Quote from: NIKCC on September 14, 2011, 06:27:59 PMQuote from: Jrome The Don Killuminati on September 14, 2011, 04:30:37 PMQuote from: NIKCC on September 13, 2011, 08:24:22 PMQuote from: Jrome The Don Killuminati on September 13, 2011, 05:42:46 PMI mean let's keep it real, Snoop sold out when he signed a recording contract before he even made Doggystyle or the Chronic. After that, he is property of his label and therefore it is them dictating to him what features he does, how his music sounds, what his lyrics say (ie ghostwriters) what his album artwork looks like etc. I'm not dissing him for that, just stating the situation.I mean honestly Snoops music (his albums at least) have largely been weak for about 10 years now. Like how yall are appalled by this feature is how I felt the first time I heard "Drop It Like It's Hot". The song in and of itself was great for what it was, but seeing Snoop do some of the most played out trends at the time - ie Neptunes production (and again, don't get me wrong, Neptunes did some brilliant shit in their prime) and an over the top simplistic / minimalist approach to hip hop beats (like The Whistle Song by Ying Yang, some shit by David Banner and a bunch of other joints coming out of ATL at the time). For somebody that was actually listening to hip hop when albums like the Chronic and Doggystyle came out, it was kinda lame because that shit was so played out. I def think Snoop has the ability to make great music, but his label pigeonholes him. But since he's under contract, there's not shit he can do about it, and honestly that's the agreement he made when he got into the business.The truth is that no matter what features he does or what music he makes in the future has no bearing on his classic work. I'll prolly be bumping that shit randomly till I die lol. He still seems like the cool dude he always was and seems like he's having fun, and puts on a good live show with his band and shit. So I say props to Snoop, play on playa.Oh and here's Nas' 3rd verse from "Hero" which was his lead single from Untitled. He's directly speaking on this:This universal apartheid (meaning Universal studios)I'm hog-tied, the corporate sideBlocking y'all from going to stores and buying itFirst L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit itBut Newsweek article startled big wigsThey said, Nas, why is he trying it? My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winningForgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginningStill in musical prison, in jail for the flowTry telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy JoelThey can't sing what's in their soulSo untitled it isI never change nothin'But people remember thisIf Nas can't say it, think about these talented kidsWith new ideas being told what they can and can't spitI can't sit and watch itSo, sh! t, I'ma drop itLike it or notYou ain't gotta cop itI'm a hustler in the studioCups of Don JulioNo matter what the CD calledI'm unbeatable, y'allthis post is pretty on point...but in that sense, snoop sold out way b4 "drop it like it's hot", back when he signed with no limit and droppin dirty south tracks, which was the popular trend at the time.No Limit was the biggest label at the time, and they were making dope original music w/ their own in house production team Beats By The Pound. BBTP weren't doing pop songs for britney spears and shit like that. I was anticipating his no limit album a lot when it came out, and there were some dope records on his NL debut. Snoop signed to them in what, 98? The south wasn't really blowing up like that at the time. Cash Money hadn't even blown up yet. The south really started to blow in the early-mid 2000's with that "ringtone rap", and Snoop was jumping on that fad w/ Drop It Like It's Hot.LOL, what are u talkin about...No Limit was the hottest label at the time Snoop signed, and Snoop hopped on their steez. "Da Game" was a pretty whack album, with the exception of a few cuts. If you wanna say he sold out with Neptunes, you might as well say he sold out with Master P & Beats by the Pound. Snoop went to NL to get off Death Row and it was his best option at the time. And you're right, No Limit (and badboy) were the biggest labels at the time. Maybe you weren't into NL, but they were the biggest because they brought something original and had some really dope rappers and production, and that shit was raw. Everybody was feelin their shit at the time, and based on his NL features prior to him signing, most people were anticipating that. Eventhough his 1st NL album wasn't classic, he did make some dope songs on there. And if I wasn't on my phone I'd up some of his NL features where he rips the beat like he hadn't done since doggystyle. So he def meshed well with BBTP, but ultimately peeps wanted his more traditional westcoast beats. That's why his 2nd album is about 50/50 NL/west and his 3rd was like 20/80 NL/west. Nobody was looking at it as a sellout move at the time lol.
Quote from: Jrome The Don Killuminati on September 14, 2011, 04:30:37 PMQuote from: NIKCC on September 13, 2011, 08:24:22 PMQuote from: Jrome The Don Killuminati on September 13, 2011, 05:42:46 PMI mean let's keep it real, Snoop sold out when he signed a recording contract before he even made Doggystyle or the Chronic. After that, he is property of his label and therefore it is them dictating to him what features he does, how his music sounds, what his lyrics say (ie ghostwriters) what his album artwork looks like etc. I'm not dissing him for that, just stating the situation.I mean honestly Snoops music (his albums at least) have largely been weak for about 10 years now. Like how yall are appalled by this feature is how I felt the first time I heard "Drop It Like It's Hot". The song in and of itself was great for what it was, but seeing Snoop do some of the most played out trends at the time - ie Neptunes production (and again, don't get me wrong, Neptunes did some brilliant shit in their prime) and an over the top simplistic / minimalist approach to hip hop beats (like The Whistle Song by Ying Yang, some shit by David Banner and a bunch of other joints coming out of ATL at the time). For somebody that was actually listening to hip hop when albums like the Chronic and Doggystyle came out, it was kinda lame because that shit was so played out. I def think Snoop has the ability to make great music, but his label pigeonholes him. But since he's under contract, there's not shit he can do about it, and honestly that's the agreement he made when he got into the business.The truth is that no matter what features he does or what music he makes in the future has no bearing on his classic work. I'll prolly be bumping that shit randomly till I die lol. He still seems like the cool dude he always was and seems like he's having fun, and puts on a good live show with his band and shit. So I say props to Snoop, play on playa.Oh and here's Nas' 3rd verse from "Hero" which was his lead single from Untitled. He's directly speaking on this:This universal apartheid (meaning Universal studios)I'm hog-tied, the corporate sideBlocking y'all from going to stores and buying itFirst L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit itBut Newsweek article startled big wigsThey said, Nas, why is he trying it? My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winningForgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginningStill in musical prison, in jail for the flowTry telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy JoelThey can't sing what's in their soulSo untitled it isI never change nothin'But people remember thisIf Nas can't say it, think about these talented kidsWith new ideas being told what they can and can't spitI can't sit and watch itSo, sh! t, I'ma drop itLike it or notYou ain't gotta cop itI'm a hustler in the studioCups of Don JulioNo matter what the CD calledI'm unbeatable, y'allthis post is pretty on point...but in that sense, snoop sold out way b4 "drop it like it's hot", back when he signed with no limit and droppin dirty south tracks, which was the popular trend at the time.No Limit was the biggest label at the time, and they were making dope original music w/ their own in house production team Beats By The Pound. BBTP weren't doing pop songs for britney spears and shit like that. I was anticipating his no limit album a lot when it came out, and there were some dope records on his NL debut. Snoop signed to them in what, 98? The south wasn't really blowing up like that at the time. Cash Money hadn't even blown up yet. The south really started to blow in the early-mid 2000's with that "ringtone rap", and Snoop was jumping on that fad w/ Drop It Like It's Hot.LOL, what are u talkin about...No Limit was the hottest label at the time Snoop signed, and Snoop hopped on their steez. "Da Game" was a pretty whack album, with the exception of a few cuts. If you wanna say he sold out with Neptunes, you might as well say he sold out with Master P & Beats by the Pound.
Quote from: NIKCC on September 13, 2011, 08:24:22 PMQuote from: Jrome The Don Killuminati on September 13, 2011, 05:42:46 PMI mean let's keep it real, Snoop sold out when he signed a recording contract before he even made Doggystyle or the Chronic. After that, he is property of his label and therefore it is them dictating to him what features he does, how his music sounds, what his lyrics say (ie ghostwriters) what his album artwork looks like etc. I'm not dissing him for that, just stating the situation.I mean honestly Snoops music (his albums at least) have largely been weak for about 10 years now. Like how yall are appalled by this feature is how I felt the first time I heard "Drop It Like It's Hot". The song in and of itself was great for what it was, but seeing Snoop do some of the most played out trends at the time - ie Neptunes production (and again, don't get me wrong, Neptunes did some brilliant shit in their prime) and an over the top simplistic / minimalist approach to hip hop beats (like The Whistle Song by Ying Yang, some shit by David Banner and a bunch of other joints coming out of ATL at the time). For somebody that was actually listening to hip hop when albums like the Chronic and Doggystyle came out, it was kinda lame because that shit was so played out. I def think Snoop has the ability to make great music, but his label pigeonholes him. But since he's under contract, there's not shit he can do about it, and honestly that's the agreement he made when he got into the business.The truth is that no matter what features he does or what music he makes in the future has no bearing on his classic work. I'll prolly be bumping that shit randomly till I die lol. He still seems like the cool dude he always was and seems like he's having fun, and puts on a good live show with his band and shit. So I say props to Snoop, play on playa.Oh and here's Nas' 3rd verse from "Hero" which was his lead single from Untitled. He's directly speaking on this:This universal apartheid (meaning Universal studios)I'm hog-tied, the corporate sideBlocking y'all from going to stores and buying itFirst L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit itBut Newsweek article startled big wigsThey said, Nas, why is he trying it? My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winningForgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginningStill in musical prison, in jail for the flowTry telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy JoelThey can't sing what's in their soulSo untitled it isI never change nothin'But people remember thisIf Nas can't say it, think about these talented kidsWith new ideas being told what they can and can't spitI can't sit and watch itSo, sh! t, I'ma drop itLike it or notYou ain't gotta cop itI'm a hustler in the studioCups of Don JulioNo matter what the CD calledI'm unbeatable, y'allthis post is pretty on point...but in that sense, snoop sold out way b4 "drop it like it's hot", back when he signed with no limit and droppin dirty south tracks, which was the popular trend at the time.No Limit was the biggest label at the time, and they were making dope original music w/ their own in house production team Beats By The Pound. BBTP weren't doing pop songs for britney spears and shit like that. I was anticipating his no limit album a lot when it came out, and there were some dope records on his NL debut. Snoop signed to them in what, 98? The south wasn't really blowing up like that at the time. Cash Money hadn't even blown up yet. The south really started to blow in the early-mid 2000's with that "ringtone rap", and Snoop was jumping on that fad w/ Drop It Like It's Hot.
Quote from: Jrome The Don Killuminati on September 13, 2011, 05:42:46 PMI mean let's keep it real, Snoop sold out when he signed a recording contract before he even made Doggystyle or the Chronic. After that, he is property of his label and therefore it is them dictating to him what features he does, how his music sounds, what his lyrics say (ie ghostwriters) what his album artwork looks like etc. I'm not dissing him for that, just stating the situation.I mean honestly Snoops music (his albums at least) have largely been weak for about 10 years now. Like how yall are appalled by this feature is how I felt the first time I heard "Drop It Like It's Hot". The song in and of itself was great for what it was, but seeing Snoop do some of the most played out trends at the time - ie Neptunes production (and again, don't get me wrong, Neptunes did some brilliant shit in their prime) and an over the top simplistic / minimalist approach to hip hop beats (like The Whistle Song by Ying Yang, some shit by David Banner and a bunch of other joints coming out of ATL at the time). For somebody that was actually listening to hip hop when albums like the Chronic and Doggystyle came out, it was kinda lame because that shit was so played out. I def think Snoop has the ability to make great music, but his label pigeonholes him. But since he's under contract, there's not shit he can do about it, and honestly that's the agreement he made when he got into the business.The truth is that no matter what features he does or what music he makes in the future has no bearing on his classic work. I'll prolly be bumping that shit randomly till I die lol. He still seems like the cool dude he always was and seems like he's having fun, and puts on a good live show with his band and shit. So I say props to Snoop, play on playa.Oh and here's Nas' 3rd verse from "Hero" which was his lead single from Untitled. He's directly speaking on this:This universal apartheid (meaning Universal studios)I'm hog-tied, the corporate sideBlocking y'all from going to stores and buying itFirst L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit itBut Newsweek article startled big wigsThey said, Nas, why is he trying it? My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winningForgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginningStill in musical prison, in jail for the flowTry telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy JoelThey can't sing what's in their soulSo untitled it isI never change nothin'But people remember thisIf Nas can't say it, think about these talented kidsWith new ideas being told what they can and can't spitI can't sit and watch itSo, sh! t, I'ma drop itLike it or notYou ain't gotta cop itI'm a hustler in the studioCups of Don JulioNo matter what the CD calledI'm unbeatable, y'allthis post is pretty on point...but in that sense, snoop sold out way b4 "drop it like it's hot", back when he signed with no limit and droppin dirty south tracks, which was the popular trend at the time.
I mean let's keep it real, Snoop sold out when he signed a recording contract before he even made Doggystyle or the Chronic. After that, he is property of his label and therefore it is them dictating to him what features he does, how his music sounds, what his lyrics say (ie ghostwriters) what his album artwork looks like etc. I'm not dissing him for that, just stating the situation.I mean honestly Snoops music (his albums at least) have largely been weak for about 10 years now. Like how yall are appalled by this feature is how I felt the first time I heard "Drop It Like It's Hot". The song in and of itself was great for what it was, but seeing Snoop do some of the most played out trends at the time - ie Neptunes production (and again, don't get me wrong, Neptunes did some brilliant shit in their prime) and an over the top simplistic / minimalist approach to hip hop beats (like The Whistle Song by Ying Yang, some shit by David Banner and a bunch of other joints coming out of ATL at the time). For somebody that was actually listening to hip hop when albums like the Chronic and Doggystyle came out, it was kinda lame because that shit was so played out. I def think Snoop has the ability to make great music, but his label pigeonholes him. But since he's under contract, there's not shit he can do about it, and honestly that's the agreement he made when he got into the business.The truth is that no matter what features he does or what music he makes in the future has no bearing on his classic work. I'll prolly be bumping that shit randomly till I die lol. He still seems like the cool dude he always was and seems like he's having fun, and puts on a good live show with his band and shit. So I say props to Snoop, play on playa.Oh and here's Nas' 3rd verse from "Hero" which was his lead single from Untitled. He's directly speaking on this:This universal apartheid (meaning Universal studios)I'm hog-tied, the corporate sideBlocking y'all from going to stores and buying itFirst L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit itBut Newsweek article startled big wigsThey said, Nas, why is he trying it? My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winningForgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginningStill in musical prison, in jail for the flowTry telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy JoelThey can't sing what's in their soulSo untitled it isI never change nothin'But people remember thisIf Nas can't say it, think about these talented kidsWith new ideas being told what they can and can't spitI can't sit and watch itSo, sh! t, I'ma drop itLike it or notYou ain't gotta cop itI'm a hustler in the studioCups of Don JulioNo matter what the CD calledI'm unbeatable, y'all
Quote from: Jrome The Don Killuminati on September 16, 2011, 11:18:08 AMQuote from: Jimmy H. on September 15, 2011, 10:19:00 PMSales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit. So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?That's industry talk clouding your brain.FACT: It's a bigger hit in 2011 than Dre's other singles were in the years they were released (with the exception of G Thang). If not sales or radio spins what the fuck do you want to judge it by? Your ranking of the favorite songs from your childhood is not a measure of how popular songs were.
Quote from: Jimmy H. on September 15, 2011, 10:19:00 PMSales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit. So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?That's industry talk clouding your brain.
Sales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit.
Quote from: Spice 2 sees the bitch in you on September 16, 2011, 12:19:13 PMQuote from: Jrome The Don Killuminati on September 16, 2011, 11:18:08 AMQuote from: Jimmy H. on September 15, 2011, 10:19:00 PMSales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit. So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?That's industry talk clouding your brain.FACT: It's a bigger hit in 2011 than Dre's other singles were in the years they were released (with the exception of G Thang). If not sales or radio spins what the fuck do you want to judge it by? Your ranking of the favorite songs from your childhood is not a measure of how popular songs were.when u continuously choose to ignore the fact that single sales have sky-rocketed since the introduction of itune singles for 99 cents and u continuously dodge that fact in every single one of ur posts, it just goes to show what a fucking moron u are. thats the end of it.
Quote from: NIKCC on September 16, 2011, 12:44:16 PMQuote from: Spice 2 sees the bitch in you on September 16, 2011, 12:19:13 PMQuote from: Jrome The Don Killuminati on September 16, 2011, 11:18:08 AMQuote from: Jimmy H. on September 15, 2011, 10:19:00 PMSales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit. So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?That's industry talk clouding your brain.FACT: It's a bigger hit in 2011 than Dre's other singles were in the years they were released (with the exception of G Thang). If not sales or radio spins what the fuck do you want to judge it by? Your ranking of the favorite songs from your childhood is not a measure of how popular songs were.when u continuously choose to ignore the fact that single sales have sky-rocketed since the introduction of itune singles for 99 cents and u continuously dodge that fact in every single one of ur posts, it just goes to show what a fucking moron u are. thats the end of it.lol @ saying "dodge". Nigga, we've explained time & time again that it's easier to download it for free then buy it. Your "excuse" for that was, "14 year old girls (who love Dre's music apparently) are running to download his new single in CDQ (because they know the difference apparently)".Son, you always tell me I'm young, I'm this, I'm that, let me just explain this to you from the actual position of being a "kid". I don't know a single person who buys music off of iTunes. People on Facebook straight up post mediafire & hulkshare links as statuses allowing everyone & their mother to download a new popular song.
INAD had little impact in Europe ... this song has been quickly forgotten while everybody and their mama know "Still Dre" and "The next episode" ... Billboard numbers doesn't say it all ... do you really think "Drop it like it's hot" is a bigger hit than "What's my name " ?
do you really think "Drop it like it's hot" is a bigger hit than "What's my name " ?
Gotta agree with that. Really need to stop comparing single sales of today with something 10-15 years ago that didn't offer the option of purchasing songs off a few clicks of a button.
The most recent case he filed centered on his 1996 exit agreement with the label, which called for him to receive 18 percent royalties on his music created while at Death Row and gave him substantial authority over how the songs were used.The agreement states that WIDEawake can only sell Dre's music in the format it appeared in before the deal. Another of Dre's attorneys, Stephen Rothschild, told Snyder during arguments in court on Monday that meant it could only appear in four formats: CD, cassette, vinyl and 8-Track.
Also should point out that the Billboard is the industry standard, and that no one has come up with any better measurement.