SNOOP DOGG - MISSIONARY (Official Discussion)

[WCThang]

one of snoop's weakest albums

Snoop got some weak solo albums bro lol

[.:Hercy Buggz:.]

Wrong

He was way more famous and "wanted one" for a while for east/west rappers and rnb singers.

Family Portrait by Pink
Me myself and i by Beyonce
Naughty Girl by Beyonce
Fighter by Cristina Aguilera
Lean back by Fat Joe
Candy Shop by 50 Cent
Lil bit by 50 Cent
Lets Ride by The Game
Let me love you by Mario Winans
You got me by The Roots
Lightets up by Lil Kim
Run it by Chris Brown
You aint know by Lil wayne
Time is up by Jadakiss

I can name more and more only produced by himself. He dominated 3 or 4 years of hip hop in first decade of millenium. He was way more famous and "wanted" than dr. Dre or any other producer in music industry for a while. However he owns it to dr.dre for teaching him how to produce and being a producer.

Let me love you is by Mario not Mario Winans, but I get your point!

[DJ-AGE™]

I think cop what ever hard copies you can early cause this reminds me of Doggystyle with G’z Up etc removed … my Chronic from 92 doesn’t have Bitchez Ain’t Shit but then a second copy I got had it unlisted & hidden after the outro…not sure why we get these messed up track listings but as a collector I’m happy to have the variety

[G-funkchawo]

this is my opinion the whole hype was caused by the title of the album everyone wanted the death of west coast rhythms performed by dre ... I don't understand the song from sting the previous album was better

[Malcy]

I think cop what ever hard copies you can early cause this reminds me of Doggystyle with G’z Up etc removed … my Chronic from 92 doesn’t have Bitchez Ain’t Shit but then a second copy I got had it unlisted & hidden after the outro…not sure why we get these messed up track listings but as a collector I’m happy to have the variety

Well these will just be copies without Thank You. IF, it gets added to future physical copies. And there won't be a lack of them. It was funny seeing people thinking the delay was to add it. Already long pressed and to think that they would just take a huge financial loss in scrapping pre-pressed copies was insane and uninformed.

But you're right that if future presses have it and run into higher numbers that these will go for a bit higher in resale.

[mtbsm]

storch himself will tell u he was nothing more than a session player

Storch:
"people say Dre doesn't do his beats but just takes the credit."  Scott immediately dispels that notion. "Dre is very hands-on," he explains. "He's a very technical dude. I'll see that dude coming into studio with EQs and crazy compressors from the seventies. He programs the beats. All the stuff we did together, he orchestrated." Storch paints Dre as an absolute visionary, and rightly so.

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/138882-scott-storch-opens-up-on-crafting-2001-with-dr-dre-on-the-breakfast-club-news


same with elizando


the glove and mel-man >>>>>>>

sccit to your point if storch was anything more than a session guy, he'd be working more with dre since he's gotten his life back together, i would think..

fact dre doesnt have him in the lab is because it's raining performers there now. from the icu crew to the orchestral talent he's used, etc.

[Jay_J]

bruh i think you’re confused

storch was not even a co-producer on 2001

i’m not saying he wasn’t great at playing his role as a session player

but to credit him with being the most important piece to 2001 is INSANE


LOL

Camara Kambon was also a keyboardist and session player but he was an important piece. He wasnt a co producer either. You know who dr.dre wanted to work with in his career after 2001. Scott Storch and Mike Elizondo. Not Mel Man. So it seems like he thinks he need scott and mike rather than mel man.

You overlook Scott's role in 2001. Only with his piano riff in still dre shaped the whole west coast hiphop in 2000s.

[Jay_J]

If you really want to capture that sound minus Mel-Man - think about people who didn't get paid when the album first came out....

Stu-B-Doo (Uncredited Producer), Chris The Glove Taylor (Did Xxplosive), Colin Wolfe (Uncredited producer/musician), Drauma (Stocks Mcguire - Ghost Wrote on 2001), Bud'da (Has a Platinum Plaque from 2001, but where's his name in the credits?), and so on and so forth.




The whole credit of the organization of things just falling into place for 2001 - look no further than Jimmy Iovine, Dr. Dre, and Dre's team. But as far as production, its no one's sound really apart from Dr. Dre. Not that Storch and others may need more credit, but the production is all Dr. Dre. Now onto Missionary, the snippets...are strange. I don't really know what to think of them.

Bud'da did drum programming for Forget about dre. Its not written in credits.

[Malcy]

Camara Kambon was also a keyboardist and session player but he was an important piece. He wasnt a co producer either. You know who dr.dre wanted to work with in his career after 2001. Scott Storch and Mike Elizondo. Not Mel Man. So it seems like he thinks he need scott and mike rather than mel man.

You overlook Scott's role in 2001. Only with his piano riff in still dre shaped the whole west coast hiphop in 2000s.

You can't extrapolate anything from that reasoning. Do you definitively know what MEL-MAN ACTUALLY WANTED TO DO WITH HIS CAREER after 2001? Just because someone is working with Dre doesn't automatically mean that's what they then resign themselves to do for life.

Similarly, Dre had the Mel-Man sound for 2001. Does that mean he wants to use it forever? A good thing never remains a good thing forever. Some of the biggest succeses in music are by one time or limited collaborations.

[heyyou]

Sooooo, I started listening to the album on a decent set of headphones while out on a walk.
All I can say is that listening it on a laptop will not do it justice at all.
Beforehand, I couldn't understand why the tracks were so short and if you listened to the tracks individually, they weren't spectacular (other than 'Thank you').
However, when you play the album from beginning to end, it makes much more sense and has a good coherent vibe to it.

I think the major downside is that there isn't a classic bangers on there as we've grown to expect but as a project i'm loving it now that i've accepted Dre is past the classic g-funk and 2001 sound. As someone previous commented, if this album suddenly dropped out of the blue and listened to it (not knowing it was produced by Dre), they will approach it differently.
 
Snoop sounds so good on it and the ghostwriters did a good job. There wasn't unnecessary swearing or typical S-n-double-O-P, L-B-C, 2-1-3 rhymes.
Other than Thank you, I would listen to the album in its entierty instead of there odd track here and there, as the tracks don't quite work individually in the same way

[Jay_J]

sccit to your point if storch was anything more than a session guy, he'd be working more with dre since he's gotten his life back together, i would think..

fact dre doesnt have him in the lab is because it's raining performers there now. from the icu crew to the orchestral talent he's used, etc.

Scott had his own path and became industry's most wanted producer while dre started to fall off again. Later scott lost his way, money and life because of his drug addiction and luxery habbit. Dre didnt need him anymore, he didnt need dre any more either. Dre always changes his crew to catch new sounds and new vibes. Unfortunately he stucked with ICU for long time and he cant get rid of them for long time.

[Jay_J]

You can't extrapolate anything from that reasoning. Do you definitively know what MEL-MAN ACTUALLY WANTED TO DO WITH HIS CAREER after 2001? Just because someone is working with Dre doesn't automatically mean that's what they then resign themselves to do for life.

Similarly, Dre had the Mel-Man sound for 2001. Does that mean he wants to use it forever? A good thing never remains a good thing forever. Some of the biggest succeses in music are by one time or limited collaborations.

I like mel man. He is resposible with 2001 sound. But as a solo producer he is nothing. Scott became top producers of hiphop. Dj khalil has a name in hiphop. I respect mel man. He helped dre to shape his drum programming/bassline style especially. Scott storch is another level. Without scott storch 2001 wouldnt have the same impact, dr. Dre coıldnt have his best productions without the way scott made him to follow. Even without scott storch hiphop wouldnt be the same in first decade of millenium

[Malcy]

I like mel man. He is resposible with 2001 sound. But as a solo producer he is nothing. Scott became top producers of hiphop. Dj khalil has a name in hiphop. I respect mel man. He helped dre to shape his drum programming/bassline style especially. Scott storch is another level. Without scott storch 2001 wouldnt have the same impact, dr. Dre coıldnt have his best productions without the way scott made him to follow. Even without scott storch hiphop wouldnt be the same in first decade of millenium

Nah, listen to more Mel-Maqn, that's all I can say.

[Sccit]

Camara Kambon was also a keyboardist and session player but he was an important piece. He wasnt a co producer either. You know who dr.dre wanted to work with in his career after 2001. Scott Storch and Mike Elizondo. Not Mel Man. So it seems like he thinks he need scott and mike rather than mel man.

You overlook Scott's role in 2001. Only with his piano riff in still dre shaped the whole west coast hiphop in 2000s.

Mel Man stopped making music .. Wasn't because of his lack of role in 2001 .. Like malcy said, listen to Mel man solo beats .. That's where the sound comes from.. Not storch

[PLANT]

You guys have spent 2-3 pages arguing over who played the keyboard better on 2001!!  FFS!

This is a 2024 Snoop and Dre album.  Let’s discuss the album.  Go make another thread about Scott Storch, Camera Kamdon, Mel Man, whoever else.  They have nothing to do with this album.