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Quote from: Efrain on November 04, 2006, 03:20:11 PMPlease clarify for everyone, are you stating fact or opinion?It's a fact that you are referring to Lil Jon and Crunk music that is played in Clubs. It's a fact that there's other types of Crunk that are not aimed for the Clubs. It's a fact that a person who only knows Crunk by whats on MTV or the Radio, they only see one side: The Club.
Please clarify for everyone, are you stating fact or opinion?
So in your mind Crunk music is not a sub-genre of hip-hop primarily for the clubs, but rather an entire genre of music in itself, containing subdivisions within it. Correct? You claim the term Crunk encompasses not only the form of southern club music, but also a more street directed, socially conscious side that lacks the shortcomings of it’s more well known and successful co-part.Correct? Well then SGV it seems you have your work cut out for you considering not only does conventional wisdom completely disagree with you, but the people who’ve actually pioneered the music couldn’t disagree more.Lets quickly go back to that wikipedia reference of yours and check the first paragraph you so conveniently overlooked. “Crunk is classified as a subdivision of Dirty South, Southern rap, and Memphis rap and is an outgrowth of Miami-based Miami bass and New Orleans bounce music… Unlike the East Coast style of hip hop, crunk has a high-energy and club-oriented feel. While other hip hop styles might involve a more conversational vocal delivery, crunk usually involves hoarse chants and repetitive, simple refrains. Lyrics are based on a rhythmic bounce, which is very effective in a club environment… others say that the music is specifically designed for the rowdy clubs in which this style thrives, and that it serves its purpose well for that scene, in which sophisticated music is not necessary. [/b]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrunkIt’s funny, I know I’ve heard similar descriptions of Crunk music before.. oh yeah, that’s essentially every-fucking-thing I’ve been saying verbatim since this ridiculous conversation started. But I digress, let’s continue. How do the artists themselves characterize and define Crunk music. "My definition of crunk is Lil Jon," says Kaine of Ying Yang Twins, one of the string of Atlanta acts that rode the crunk train up the pop charts this year.Crunk, for anyone who hasn't kept up on recent pop trends, is a hip-hop sub-genre emanating from the clubs of Atlanta. It's music designed specifically to get the testosterone boiling -- high energy, headbanger hip-hop, better suited for the mosh pit than the V.I.P. area. Its m.o. mainly revolves around cheap beats and impossibly booming bass, catchy call-and-response chants and ferocious roars. [/b]http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A13862Lil Jon: "Crunk music is something parallel to rock 'n' roll or punk rock because of the energy it gives you," says Lil' Jon in an interview with USA Today. "It's designed to get you hyper and to get the party off the hook. The music is so powerful, you can't deny it. " Crunk artists "don't give a damn about being the best rapper. It's all about saying something that's going to get people crunk in the clubs," he continued. http://sohh.com/articles/article.php/4914A lot of rappers are always about, "Check out my lyrics. I’m deep." You are more about having fun. Why do you think you’ve be able to survive without being lyrically driven?Lil Jon: We just make records for the clubs, that the DJ’s love to play because we’re going to get the club crunk. We just make records that make the club get hot, man. [/b]http://www.murderdog.com/archives/liljon/LilJon&TheEastSide2.htmlWhat are you into spinning right now?Lil Jon: Dancehall, Hip Hop, R&B, same shit…whatever gets the club to get rowdyReally, R&B? That’s not too CrunkLil Jon: Yeah, I like all types of music though, you know what I’m saying.. Music fits you for different moods you are in. If I’m chillin,’ riding around the city cruising, I might be bumping some A Marie, if I’m trying to get Crunk I might put in Project Pat or Baby D…it just depends.http://kludgemagazine.com/interviews/Lil_Jon__The_East_Side_Boyz/2002-11-18/And lastly, let’s check in with Three Six Mafia and find out how they define Crunk and what they think of Lil Jon being labeled the “King of Crunk.” They, after all are the people you claim are part of the real, non-club side of Crunk music. LegBreaka: How do you feel about Lil’ Jon calling himself the “King of Crunk,” when so much of the music you all have been putting out over the years is so similar? DJ Paul: I get this question all the time, people have it confused. Lil’ Jon calling himself the “King of Crunk” is fine. Our music was never called Crunk, it’s called Get Buck music. When we used the slang term ‘crunk,’ we mean, it's crowded. I just came out of the KFC and I would tell the people coming in, you might not want to go in there because it Crunk in there.http://www.allhiphop.com/features/?ID=1237So just a quick recap. Three Six Mafia believes Lil Jon is in fact the king of Crunk, they themselves do not perform “Crunk” music nor do they feel being labeled as “Crunk” artists is appropriate. Hmm interesting, but SGV I thought you said Three Six Mafia were the real creators of Crunk? Not only that but didn’t you also say they are a part of that non-cub form of Crunk that’s played in the street etc? You know, that type of Crunk music everyone else knows about and I’m ignorant to? Strange, it seems they think your notion is complete and utter bullshit.Now, Lil Jon does believe Crunk music is for the clubs, where he purposely designs the music to be played and he himself admits it isn’t necessary to be lyrical, socially conscious or anything other than exciting the crowd. Not only that but he takes it a step further saying not only is Crunk music exclusively for the clubs, but when he himself is relaxing or “chilling” he’ll listen to something that better “fits the mood,” i.e. non-Crunk. Why? because Crunk’s sole and only function is to serve the club environment. Three Six Mafia is not Crunk by their own admission, Lil Jon is the king of Crunk and represents the genre as such according to everyone and you sir are OWNED
Quote from: Efrain on November 04, 2006, 08:46:07 PMSo in your mind Crunk music is not a sub-genre of hip-hop primarily for the clubs, but rather an entire genre of music in itself, containing subdivisions within it. Correct? You claim the term Crunk encompasses not only the form of southern club music, but also a more street directed, socially conscious side that lacks the shortcomings of it’s more well known and successful co-part.Correct? Well then SGV it seems you have your work cut out for you considering not only does conventional wisdom completely disagree with you, but the people who’ve actually pioneered the music couldn’t disagree more.Lets quickly go back to that wikipedia reference of yours and check the first paragraph you so conveniently overlooked. “Crunk is classified as a subdivision of Dirty South, Southern rap, and Memphis rap and is an outgrowth of Miami-based Miami bass and New Orleans bounce music… Unlike the East Coast style of hip hop, crunk has a high-energy and club-oriented feel. While other hip hop styles might involve a more conversational vocal delivery, crunk usually involves hoarse chants and repetitive, simple refrains. Lyrics are based on a rhythmic bounce, which is very effective in a club environment… others say that the music is specifically designed for the rowdy clubs in which this style thrives, and that it serves its purpose well for that scene, in which sophisticated music is not necessary. [/b]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrunkIt’s funny, I know I’ve heard similar descriptions of Crunk music before.. oh yeah, that’s essentially every-fucking-thing I’ve been saying verbatim since this ridiculous conversation started. But I digress, let’s continue. How do the artists themselves characterize and define Crunk music. "My definition of crunk is Lil Jon," says Kaine of Ying Yang Twins, one of the string of Atlanta acts that rode the crunk train up the pop charts this year.Crunk, for anyone who hasn't kept up on recent pop trends, is a hip-hop sub-genre emanating from the clubs of Atlanta. It's music designed specifically to get the testosterone boiling -- high energy, headbanger hip-hop, better suited for the mosh pit than the V.I.P. area. Its m.o. mainly revolves around cheap beats and impossibly booming bass, catchy call-and-response chants and ferocious roars. [/b]http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A13862Lil Jon: "Crunk music is something parallel to rock 'n' roll or punk rock because of the energy it gives you," says Lil' Jon in an interview with USA Today. "It's designed to get you hyper and to get the party off the hook. The music is so powerful, you can't deny it. " Crunk artists "don't give a damn about being the best rapper. It's all about saying something that's going to get people crunk in the clubs," he continued. http://sohh.com/articles/article.php/4914A lot of rappers are always about, "Check out my lyrics. I’m deep." You are more about having fun. Why do you think you’ve be able to survive without being lyrically driven?Lil Jon: We just make records for the clubs, that the DJ’s love to play because we’re going to get the club crunk. We just make records that make the club get hot, man. [/b]http://www.murderdog.com/archives/liljon/LilJon&TheEastSide2.htmlWhat are you into spinning right now?Lil Jon: Dancehall, Hip Hop, R&B, same shit…whatever gets the club to get rowdyReally, R&B? That’s not too CrunkLil Jon: Yeah, I like all types of music though, you know what I’m saying.. Music fits you for different moods you are in. If I’m chillin,’ riding around the city cruising, I might be bumping some A Marie, if I’m trying to get Crunk I might put in Project Pat or Baby D…it just depends.http://kludgemagazine.com/interviews/Lil_Jon__The_East_Side_Boyz/2002-11-18/And lastly, let’s check in with Three Six Mafia and find out how they define Crunk and what they think of Lil Jon being labeled the “King of Crunk.” They, after all are the people you claim are part of the real, non-club side of Crunk music. LegBreaka: How do you feel about Lil’ Jon calling himself the “King of Crunk,” when so much of the music you all have been putting out over the years is so similar? DJ Paul: I get this question all the time, people have it confused. Lil’ Jon calling himself the “King of Crunk” is fine. Our music was never called Crunk, it’s called Get Buck music. When we used the slang term ‘crunk,’ we mean, it's crowded. I just came out of the KFC and I would tell the people coming in, you might not want to go in there because it Crunk in there.http://www.allhiphop.com/features/?ID=1237So just a quick recap. Three Six Mafia believes Lil Jon is in fact the king of Crunk, they themselves do not perform “Crunk” music nor do they feel being labeled as “Crunk” artists is appropriate. Hmm interesting, but SGV I thought you said Three Six Mafia were the real creators of Crunk? Not only that but didn’t you also say they are a part of that non-cub form of Crunk that’s played in the street etc? You know, that type of Crunk music everyone else knows about and I’m ignorant to? Strange, it seems they think your notion is complete and utter bullshit.Now, Lil Jon does believe Crunk music is for the clubs, where he purposely designs the music to be played and he himself admits it isn’t necessary to be lyrical, socially conscious or anything other than exciting the crowd. Not only that but he takes it a step further saying not only is Crunk music exclusively for the clubs, but when he himself is relaxing or “chilling” he’ll listen to something that better “fits the mood,” i.e. non-Crunk. Why? because Crunk’s sole and only function is to serve the club environment. Three Six Mafia is not Crunk by their own admission, Lil Jon is the king of Crunk and represents the genre as such according to everyone and you sir are OWNED LMAO @ Your quotes. You quote Lil Jon almost each time (or quote about Lil Jon), who obviously makes the Crunk music you speak of. Then, you quote wikipedia, which states Memphis was the birthplace of Crunk. A source that also claims:"Three 6 Mafia (formerly known as Triple Six Mafia), is the first hip hop group from Memphis, Tennessee to go platinum, the second hip-hop act to be nominated for and win an Oscar (1st was Eminem's "Lose Yourself"). They are the originators of certain types of crunk music. "But, then you go ahead and contradict your source with a DJ Paul quote.So let me show you a DJ Paul quote to "own" you:"The rest of the album, however, is a wide-ranging mix - with Paul's experimental ideas sharing time with the thuggish Three 6 fans have come to love, with bass-heavy Memphis-syle beats and club shaking chants. "Jus Like Us" is a brutal broadside against heads that bite off the Three 6 style. "Barrin' You Bitches" combines addictive rhythms and infectious sounthern style textures. "Those are the crunk type of songs," Paul said. "http://www.sonymusic.com/labels/loud/home/36mafianews.htmlBy his OWN admission they have Crunk tracks. Sorry. Here's another source stating theyre the originators:"They are famous for being pioneers of the crunk sound, as well as being the first rap artists from Memphis to go platinum."http://www.artistopia.com/three-6-mafiaSo yeah... Sorry dude.
I call it the ‘Watch what you wish for album’ cause we fussed about not being known and getting credit for our role in Hip-Hop being the pioneers of Crunk and at that time, 15 years in the game,” said DJ Paul,[/size] who was surprised at the reaction to “Poppin’ My Collar,” the group’s follow up to its hit lead single “Stay Fly.”"Your quote states that the music was NEVER called Crunk. Not that he didn't consider it Crunk music. Yes, their definition of Crunk was different than that of Lil Jon, but that doesn't mean they WEREN'T Crunk, as stated in the above quote. I hope you're done now.
I JUST GOT OWNED
You are splitting hairs, there is only one kind of Crunk and you know it whether you admit it or not. Now provide the link for this quote of yours.
I think this Efrain guy should delete his account and start over
You are splitting hairs, there is only one kind of Crunk and you know it whether you admit it or not.
I can’t believe you people are serious, he’s quoting lyrics from a song? LOL where’s the original quote you’ve got absolutely nothing!