SNOOP DOGG - MISSIONARY (Official Discussion)

[David Gutterman]

Thanx dude! Was looking for this

[TraceOneInfinite]

^^ this sounds pretty fuccin legit right there

[Detoxer]

I think the main problem with the new Dre production is that he's lost his trademark sound. Mixing is still on top level, but the beats are cerebral, the drums are often kind of weak, especially compared to the 2001 and Parker, Batson and co. eras, when almost every beat sounded very powerful. The drums were banging, the simple piano loops or synth elements were on point.

Now the beats often have far too many elements, the drums sound weak (this is probably where Dem Jointz comes in), there is no high recognition value in contrast to any(!) other of his trademark eras. The sound doesn't sound like a further development to me, but like a blatant break in style. That's probably the main problem. At least for me.

Nevertheless, he has shown in recent years that he can still produce music that is reminiscent of the past, but somehow represents a further development: Eminem's ‘Lock it up’ and ‘Lucifer’, HARDY's ‘Gin & Juice’, Marsha's ‘Smoke’ or ‘Greedy’. I hope ‘Missionary’ will go in this direction.

In the end, it's very bitter that the Parker, Batson, Trevor Lawrence Jr. era in the form of Relapse only resulted in one album produced entirely by Dre, whereas we've now got the third ICU album since 2015 - I count ‘Compton’ as one of them, even if he didn't produce every track. But I'm not complaining, I'm still really looking forward to ‘Missionary’.

[Sccit]

Yeah it was dope, but Dre-produced joints (Left to right, mansa musa, who r u) were the weakest songs on it imo

thought the whole album was dope

however, ventura from that same year was better

[teecee]

^^ this sounds pretty fuccin legit right there

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You like all three tracks?  I’m definitely feeling each one

[HighEyeCue]

Two totally different songs.  I love both tracks, but don’t tell me Snoop isn’t so much better in the OG

does anyone have a better quality version of the OG?

mine is similar to the one posted

[mtbsm]

This thread is so bloated it’s now got 2 pages of you guys talking about someone’s internet browser being dated and how he needs to clear a cache

lmao

[mtbsm]

I think the main problem with the new Dre production is that he's lost his trademark sound. Mixing is still on top level, but the beats are cerebral, the drums are often kind of weak, especially compared to the 2001 and Parker, Batson and co. eras, when almost every beat sounded very powerful. The drums were banging, the simple piano loops or synth elements were on point.

Now the beats often have far too many elements, the drums sound weak (this is probably where Dem Jointz comes in), there is no high recognition value in contrast to any(!) other of his trademark eras. The sound doesn't sound like a further development to me, but like a blatant break in style. That's probably the main problem. At least for me.

Nevertheless, he has shown in recent years that he can still produce music that is reminiscent of the past, but somehow represents a further development: Eminem's ‘Lock it up’ and ‘Lucifer’, HARDY's ‘Gin & Juice’, Marsha's ‘Smoke’ or ‘Greedy’. I hope ‘Missionary’ will go in this direction.

In the end, it's very bitter that the Parker, Batson, Trevor Lawrence Jr. era in the form of Relapse only resulted in one album produced entirely by Dre, whereas we've now got the third ICU album since 2015 - I count ‘Compton’ as one of them, even if he didn't produce every track. But I'm not complaining, I'm still really looking forward to ‘Missionary’.

facts

funny how dre still pretending finished joints are "Demos" so people don't judge them - song he played called "thank you"

[heyyou]

I think the main problem with the new Dre production is that he's lost his trademark sound. Mixing is still on top level, but the beats are cerebral, the drums are often kind of weak, especially compared to the 2001 and Parker, Batson and co. eras, when almost every beat sounded very powerful. The drums were banging, the simple piano loops or synth elements were on point.

Now the beats often have far too many elements, the drums sound weak (this is probably where Dem Jointz comes in), there is no high recognition value in contrast to any(!) other of his trademark eras. The sound doesn't sound like a further development to me, but like a blatant break in style. That's probably the main problem. At least for me.

Nevertheless, he has shown in recent years that he can still produce music that is reminiscent of the past, but somehow represents a further development: Eminem's ‘Lock it up’ and ‘Lucifer’, HARDY's ‘Gin & Juice’, Marsha's ‘Smoke’ or ‘Greedy’. I hope ‘Missionary’ will go in this direction.

In the end, it's very bitter that the Parker, Batson, Trevor Lawrence Jr. era in the form of Relapse only resulted in one album produced entirely by Dre, whereas we've now got the third ICU album since 2015 - I count ‘Compton’ as one of them, even if he didn't produce every track. But I'm not complaining, I'm still really looking forward to ‘Missionary’.

I don't disagree with what you say.
I think Dre is currently overthinking it when it comes to producing.
I think he is trying too hard with experimenting with too many styles/techniques - lots of breaks, switching up sounds/beats etc on a track, plus he seems to be concentrating on the sonics instead of a 'groove' (if that makes sense). Dre needs to relax, have fun and let the music come naturally. Everything sounds a little too clinical and cold for my liking, but i'm still anticipating the album!
I think it will go over the the heads of those that are mainly into hip-hop, but if you are into various genres of music (which included myself) you may enjoy it more.

[WCThang]

Yeah it was dope, but Dre-produced joints (Left to right, mansa musa, who r u) were the weakest songs on it imo

This is accurate. The Dre tracks on that Paak album are the worst songs on the album.

[WCThang]

I think the main problem with the new Dre production is that he's lost his trademark sound. Mixing is still on top level, but the beats are cerebral, the drums are often kind of weak, especially compared to the 2001 and Parker, Batson and co. eras, when almost every beat sounded very powerful. The drums were banging, the simple piano loops or synth elements were on point.

Now the beats often have far too many elements, the drums sound weak (this is probably where Dem Jointz comes in), there is no high recognition value in contrast to any(!) other of his trademark eras. The sound doesn't sound like a further development to me, but like a blatant break in style. That's probably the main problem. At least for me.

Nevertheless, he has shown in recent years that he can still produce music that is reminiscent of the past, but somehow represents a further development: Eminem's ‘Lock it up’ and ‘Lucifer’, HARDY's ‘Gin & Juice’, Marsha's ‘Smoke’ or ‘Greedy’. I hope ‘Missionary’ will go in this direction.

In the end, it's very bitter that the Parker, Batson, Trevor Lawrence Jr. era in the form of Relapse only resulted in one album produced entirely by Dre, whereas we've now got the third ICU album since 2015 - I count ‘Compton’ as one of them, even if he didn't produce every track. But I'm not complaining, I'm still really looking forward to ‘Missionary’.

Lol this is such a good point.

The "2001" and "Relapse" crews were sooo much better than this current crew and yet it's this crew that's convinced Dre to release the most music.

Unfortunate.

[teecee]

I think the main problem with the new Dre production is that he's lost his trademark sound. Mixing is still on top level, but the beats are cerebral, the drums are often kind of weak, especially compared to the 2001 and Parker, Batson and co. eras, when almost every beat sounded very powerful. The drums were banging, the simple piano loops or synth elements were on point.

Now the beats often have far too many elements, the drums sound weak (this is probably where Dem Jointz comes in), there is no high recognition value in contrast to any(!) other of his trademark eras. The sound doesn't sound like a further development to me, but like a blatant break in style. That's probably the main problem. At least for me.

Nevertheless, he has shown in recent years that he can still produce music that is reminiscent of the past, but somehow represents a further development: Eminem's ‘Lock it up’ and ‘Lucifer’, HARDY's ‘Gin & Juice’, Marsha's ‘Smoke’ or ‘Greedy’. I hope ‘Missionary’ will go in this direction.

In the end, it's very bitter that the Parker, Batson, Trevor Lawrence Jr. era in the form of Relapse only resulted in one album produced entirely by Dre, whereas we've now got the third ICU album since 2015 - I count ‘Compton’ as one of them, even if he didn't produce every track. But I'm not complaining, I'm still really looking forward to ‘Missionary’.

I agree for the most part, and I also am still looking forward to Missionary.  And I’m just nitpicking, but pretty sure Trevor Lawrence had 4-5 production credits on Compton.

[Jay_J]

Relapse was very important album for both Eminem and Dre.

Dre realised that his type of production is outdated and he has to change it.

Eminem also realised that he need to find new producers to work with because Dre is not able to catch the current or future at that moment.

I still fuck with some relapse songs but that album was a deception point for everybody to realise "they cant do it like this anymore".

[wcsoldier]

dre literally levelled up after 2001 album with his new aftermath team of mark batson, dawaun parker, trev lawrence, dj khalil, jake one, just blaze, focus, mr porter, hitek, nottz etc and scott/mike were still around periodically from 03 to 11 lmfao. it was dem jointz and those new bums that ruined him.

Storch and Elizondo were the main guys until 2005..

Then it was Parker and Batson who were still better than the current production crew

[wcsoldier]

Relapse was very important album for both Eminem and Dre.

Dre realised that his type of production is outdated and he has to change it.

Eminem also realised that he need to find new producers to work with because Dre is not able to catch the current or future at that moment.

I still fuck with some relapse songs but that album was a deception point for everybody to realise "they cant do it like this anymore".

Most of the beats were dope , Eminem just ruined "them" with his stupid accent