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Kobe is one of the best players in the game right now, but I'm gonna let you guys in on a little secret; THE GAME SUCKS RIGHT NOW.All you got is a bunch of street ballers who think the high light reel is more important than the score board. If Kobe was playing in the 80s, and wasn't on Philly, Boston, or LA, he never would have even come close to taking a team to the finals. Shaq very well could have, and probably won, at least once.Shaq and Kobe is 50/50, if Kobe leaves, will they win as much? No, but they can still go far in the play offs. If Shaq leaves I'd wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even make thwe play offs. I remember the beginning of the Season (I think last year), Shaq was out for the first few weeks. Kobe had a near a triple double every game, and shined like a star, but the team went 3 for 12.Like Red Auerbach strongly believed, personal stats don't mean shit if you're not winning the game. Kobe can impress all he wants, but he's gotta win. When he finally is alone and he loses pitifully, I'll be back to celebrate my prophecy.Look at the game now, they let zone defense in because the guys suck at defense so much now they figured they'd cut them a break. Can you imagine Zone defense with Bird's Celtics? They would have won 3 more championships. There is a reason the ratings get lower every year, it's because smart Basket Ball took a back seat to showmanship and egos. The quality just isn't as high as it used to be. Maybe in individual skills it's higher, but teams win, not players.
lol@ how this thread has turned from a Jordan/Kobe comparison...to a Kobe/Pippen comparison. I guess its safe to say that Kobe is not on the same level as Mike. lol.Oh, and as for the whole Pippen/Kobe argument...its kind of bogus. Pippen was obviously on another level then Marion. To me, he was almost more of a T-Mac kind of player. And yes, Jordan did make those around him better. But they were two VERY different teams (lakers and bulls). When u have a dominant center (shaq), it sets up the rest of the floor. Big men, set up outside players. Its been that way since basketball was invented. Obviously there are times where u have a Magic, or a Stockton where things flip flop. Neither the Lakers or the Bulls have a Magic or a Stockton...in the times we're talkin about. Pippen played on a team with a dominant 2 guard. Even though Jordan could set up other players, if u play basketball...u know its not exactly the same. Players swarm to Shaq...two, sometimes three at a time. Making things VERY simple for perimeter players. A simple pass out of the double team to a cutting player and a lay-up/dunk. A simple pass out of the double team, and a second pass to an outside shooter for an open three. Good bigmen, set the offense up. Look how great the Rockets looked during their championship runs. Just having Hakeem in the middle, made their outside shooters look like allstars...when half of u couldnt name any of them if u didnt look it up on ESPN lol. Jordan was a score first, pass second kind of player. At the 2 guard. Which means he controlled the ball a majority of the game. A lot of times more then the point. Its not as easy to double team a perimeter player as it is a big man. U cant always send 2, or three people out to the three point line to guard somebody lol. So he was getting a lot of strait up matchups...which meant, he was takin it to the rim...and scoring. So Pippen was basically a clean up man. When Jordan left, Pippen did play good. I mean, look at the team he had. Not exactly a team full of All Stars...and he lead them to a successfull season (even if it wasnt a championship). If u took Shaq off the Lakers right now...i dont think LA would have even made it to the second round. And thats with Payton and Malone on the team with him. Im not sayin Pippen is better then Kobe at all. Im just sayin, u cant compare them regardless. Better scorer=KobeBetter defender=PippenBetter rebounds=PippenBetter clutch player=KobeBetter floor leader=Toss up (remember Pippen played with MJ)Better team player=Pippen, obviously
Quote from: Shallow on June 15, 2004, 07:10:45 AMKobe is one of the best players in the game right now, but I'm gonna let you guys in on a little secret; THE GAME SUCKS RIGHT NOW.All you got is a bunch of street ballers who think the high light reel is more important than the score board. If Kobe was playing in the 80s, and wasn't on Philly, Boston, or LA, he never would have even come close to taking a team to the finals. Shaq very well could have, and probably won, at least once.Shaq and Kobe is 50/50, if Kobe leaves, will they win as much? No, but they can still go far in the play offs. If Shaq leaves I'd wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even make thwe play offs. I remember the beginning of the Season (I think last year), Shaq was out for the first few weeks. Kobe had a near a triple double every game, and shined like a star, but the team went 3 for 12.Like Red Auerbach strongly believed, personal stats don't mean shit if you're not winning the game. Kobe can impress all he wants, but he's gotta win. When he finally is alone and he loses pitifully, I'll be back to celebrate my prophecy.Look at the game now, they let zone defense in because the guys suck at defense so much now they figured they'd cut them a break. Can you imagine Zone defense with Bird's Celtics? They would have won 3 more championships. There is a reason the ratings get lower every year, it's because smart Basket Ball took a back seat to showmanship and egos. The quality just isn't as high as it used to be. Maybe in individual skills it's higher, but teams win, not players.First of all, playoffs and basketball are both one word...Second off, the Final's ratings have doubled from last season...Third of all, that crap you said about the Lakers going 3 for 12 with Kobe getting tripple doubles is a load of bullshit...Lakers have never lost when Kobe had a tripple double...
The comparison is OFFICIALLY stopped as of tonight..... peace
Quote from: teecee on June 15, 2004, 09:03:27 PMThe comparison is OFFICIALLY stopped as of tonight..... peaceOh, I didn't know Jordan won championships in all of his seasons...Thanks for enlightening me...Like I said, how do you not remember the pre '91 Jordan being shut down in the Eastern Conference Finals by this same team? I'll say it one more time, you guys only know Jordan by highlights, and it's quite obvious...
Nik, just for curiosity, how old were you in 89? I was 10 man, i WAS watching that shit, but i wasnt a bulls fan and i NEVER have been. See, i am not a jordan groupie, i just recognize how incredible he was. I dont give a fuck about highlights, in fact i always hated jordan as i used to like the LAKERS with magic. BUt you have to recognize the greatest player ever....When Jordan was shut down by the pistons, his team was horrible. It woulda been the equivalent of these lakers but without shaq!!! Jordan was the only option that year, yet he did a lot more than kobe did in this series, and shot alot better percentage for the series overall, and also contributed in other areas. Kobe didnt pass well, didnt rebound, and didnt even barely defend..........And NIK, i thought alot more of Kobe b4 this series, enough to bet 50 bucks on the series because i thought Kobe was gonna rip it up and get MVP. Instead, he did nothing, and looked quite mortal, which is something i NEVER saw in Jordan, especially not when he was 25. When Jordan was 25, he was ATTACKING the basket, blocking shots, stealing the ball, REBOUNDING, and above all you could see it really pained him to lose.....i can't say the same for kobe....
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