Can we stop the jordan an kobe comparisons for now

[Deaths Design]

Kobe does have heart. It would be dumb to say that he doesn't. Struggling in games doesn't necessarily mean that a player doesn't have heart. Maybe at the time, that's what he was capable of. Who knows what other bullshit he goes through besides the risk of being locked up. To say Kobe has no heart, or that he doesn't care about losing/winning would be a dumb thing to say, but it would also be dumb to try and compare Kobe to Jordan at this moment. Right now Kobe can't be compared to him. Jordan is a legend. Kobe has a long way to go. He could fall off, or he could become the best player ever. Nobody can say for certain at this moment; however, right now, if one was to actually try to compare the 2, it would be no matchup. Jordan carried his team on his shoulders, he took control of games, especially in critical ones, he made things happen when they needed to happen, etc. ( I won't even mention achievements )

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

You obviously can't compare Jordan's whole career to Kobe's up 'til now...But you can easily compare them both at 25...Kobe still has a long way to go, and if he continues doing what he does, he will be on the Jordan level...The fact that he even played with all the legal issues this season is just amazing...PeACe

[Shallow]

And putting Bird over Magic is just off...

The Celtics were one of the worst teams in '79 (29-53). When Larry came in '80 they went to first place (61-21) and all the way to the conference finals. This was before McHale and Parrish. They were ahead of Magic's Lakers, a team that was having winning records and only got Magic from trading for a draft pick. Magic's good, but so were the Lakers. The Celtics sucked, but Larry was great.

[KING VerbalAssaulta]

some quickies i'll throw out....  about this years pistons thumping jordan.... jordan had to eventually get thrrough detroits original bad boy team wich was stronger than this years team....

the ONLY reason i'd take magic over bird is cause he was a 6'9 point gaurd

please after kobe's performance no more comparisons mj

[7even]

96-97 LAL 71 6 15.5 .417 .375 .819 .70 1.20 1.90 1.3 .69 .32 1.58 1.40 7.6
 97-98 LAL 79 1 26.0 .428 .341 .794 1.00 2.10 3.10 2.5 .94 .51 1.99 2.30 15.4
 98-99 LAL 50 50 37.9 .465 .267 .839 1.10 4.20 5.30 3.8 1.44 1.00 3.14 3.10 19.9
 99-00 LAL 66 62 38.2 .468 .319 .821 1.60 4.70 6.30 4.9 1.61 .94 2.76 3.30 22.5
 00-01 LAL 68 68 40.9 .464 .305 .853 1.50 4.30 5.90 5.0 1.68 .63 3.24 3.30 28.5
 01-02 LAL 80 80 38.3 .469 .250 .829 1.40 4.10 5.50 5.5 1.48 .44 2.79 2.90 25.2
 02-03 LAL 82 82 41.5 .451 .383 .843 1.30 5.60 6.90 5.9 2.21 .82 3.51 2.70 30.0
 03-04 LAL 65 64 37.6 .438 .327 .852 1.60 3.90 5.50 5.1 1.72 .43 2.63 2.70 24.0



84-85 CHI 82 82 38.3 .515 .173 .845 2.00 4.50 6.50 5.9 2.39 .84 3.55 3.50 28.2
 85-86 CHI 18 7 25.1 .457 .167 .840 1.30 2.30 3.60 2.9 2.06 1.17 2.50 2.60 22.7
 86-87 CHI 82 82 40.0 .482 .182 .857 2.00 3.20 5.20 4.6 2.88 1.52 3.32 2.90 37.1
 87-88 CHI 82 82 40.4 .535 .132 .841 1.70 3.80 5.50 5.9 3.16 1.60 3.07 3.30 35.0
 88-89 CHI 81 81 40.2 .538 .276 .850 1.80 6.20 8.00 8.0 2.89 .80 3.58 3.00 32.5
 89-90 CHI 82 82 39.0 .526 .376 .848 1.70 5.10 6.90 6.3 2.77 .66 3.01 2.90 33.6
 90-91 CHI 82 82 37.0 .539 .312 .851 1.40 4.60 6.00 5.5 2.72 1.01 2.46 2.80 31.5
 91-92 CHI 80 80 38.8 .519 .270 .832 1.10 5.30 6.40 6.1 2.28 .94 2.50 2.50 30.1


First 8 seasons each.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

^^And you think Kobe wouldn't be putting up those stats without having to share points with Shaq?...Anyone remember when Shaq was out last season, Kobe had that stretch of 10 straight games with 40 or more...Damn man, horrible way to compare.

[.:DayGoStyLz:.]

Nik, just for curiosity, how old were you in 89?  I was 10 man, i WAS watching that shit, but i wasnt a bulls fan and i NEVER have been.  See, i am not a jordan groupie, i just recognize how incredible he was.  I dont give a fuck about highlights, in fact i always hated jordan as i used to like the LAKERS with magic.  BUt you have to recognize the greatest player ever....When Jordan was shut down by the pistons, his team was horrible.  It woulda been the equivalent of these lakers but without shaq!!!  Jordan was the only option that year, yet he did a lot more than kobe did in this series, and shot alot better percentage for the series overall, and also contributed in other areas.   Kobe didnt pass well, didnt rebound, and didnt even barely defend..........


And NIK, i thought alot more of Kobe b4 this series, enough to bet 50 bucks on the series because i thought Kobe was gonna rip it up and get MVP.  Instead, he did nothing, and looked quite mortal, which is something i NEVER saw in Jordan, especially not when he was 25.  When Jordan was 25, he was ATTACKING the basket, blocking shots, stealing the ball, REBOUNDING, and above all you could see it really pained him to lose.....i can't say the same for kobe....

You're wrong...When Jordan was 25, he was criticized for being a selfish ball-hog even more so than Kobe...And to say that losing doesn't pain Kobe is ridiculous...Kobe has HEART...Maybe he didn't play to his full potential, but look at all the pressure and stress he's had on him mentally...Kobe cried last year when Lakers got eliminated...Ye sou'raying he was never pained to lose?...Please man, stop making Jordan out to be a basketball God...By the end of Kobe's career, you will all eat your words...PeACe

lol youre the same guy that has been known to say after Laker losses....that they didnt really want to win the game. That they werent really trying to win. LOL funny shit

And yah, that "dominant center crap" i was saying...is what basketball is. If u dont understand what i was saying, then u know absolutely nothing about the game of basketball...other then what u read from Jack Haley every week lol.

And as for Jordan only reaching the conference finals before Phil. i suppose youre saying this because of all those great moments Kobe had during his first few years lol. I can still remember those airballs in the playoffs now. lol.

And yes, Pippen was a FAR better defender then Kobe. Far better. One on one he was a better defender, and in the TEAM game (which kobe still hasnt figured out), he was WAY better as a defender. And as for Pippen getting more rebounds only cus he's a forward. He's only 1 inch taller then Kobe, and more often then not worked outside the circle, sometimes running the point. Its not like he was power forward. Come on Nik, show me some knowledge just once lol. Something other then pasting up numbers u did a search for on the internet. lol. Kobe is definetely, without a doubt, hands down, not on the same level as Jordan. Like i said, he's got career of him...and maybe will reach that status. But as of now, he's now where close. And that isnt necessarily talent wise...its in his mentality, his leadership. He still from time to time, seems like the Kobe we saw his first 2 yrs in the league. NOT knowing when to shoot, NOT knowing when to get his team involved, NOT giving everything on D, NOT motivating his teammated. All parts of Jordans game, that Kobe still doesnt have. He shows flashes of it, and thats it. Then back to the immature ballhog.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

lol youre the same guy that has been known to say after Laker losses....that they didnt really want to win the game. That they werent really trying to win. LOL funny shit

When the fuck have I ever said that? You are an idiot, and a liar...

And yah, that "dominant center crap" i was saying...is what basketball is. If u dont understand what i was saying, then u know absolutely nothing about the game of basketball...other then what u read from Jack Haley every week lol.

I understand what a dominant center is...You obviously are to stupid to understand my point...Also, Jack Haley doesn't write.

And as for Jordan only reaching the conference finals before Phil. i suppose youre saying this because of all those great moments Kobe had during his first few years lol. I can still remember those airballs in the playoffs now. lol.

Kobe wasn't considered a star his rookie season (that's when he shot the airballs in the playoffs)...

And yes, Pippen was a FAR better defender then Kobe. Far better. One on one he was a better defender, and in the TEAM game (which kobe still hasnt figured out), he was WAY better as a defender. And as for Pippen getting more rebounds only cus he's a forward. He's only 1 inch taller then Kobe, and more often then not worked outside the circle, sometimes running the point. Its not like he was power forward. Come on Nik, show me some knowledge just once lol. Something other then pasting up numbers u did a search for on the internet. lol. Kobe is definetely, without a doubt, hands down, not on the same level as Jordan. Like i said, he's got career of him...and maybe will reach that status. But as of now, he's now where close. And that isnt necessarily talent wise...its in his mentality, his leadership. He still from time to time, seems like the Kobe we saw his first 2 yrs in the league. NOT knowing when to shoot, NOT knowing when to get his team involved, NOT giving everything on D, NOT motivating his teammated. All parts of Jordans game, that Kobe still doesnt have. He shows flashes of it, and thats it. Then back to the immature ballhog.

Like anyone who knows basketball will tell you, you CAN'T compare Kobe and Pippen, so just stop now...They are two different types of players, and on two completely different levels...You can't just post up stats and say the player with the better stats is better, just like I proved when I posted Shawn Marion's stats and compared them to Pippen's...If we were going by stats, Marion is the better player...PeACe

[7even]

^^And you think Kobe wouldn't be putting up those stats without having to share points with Shaq?...Anyone remember when Shaq was out last season, Kobe had that stretch of 10 straight games with 40 or more...Damn man, horrible way to compare.

Like I said before in this thread, you cant compare as long Kobe and Shaq play in the same team.
But hey, maybe this wont be the case anymore in a few weeks.

[Perfection]

Kobe proved in this series that he isn't the next Jordan because Kobe sucked in this series. Shaq was all the Lakers had and it sure as hell wasn't enough against a team that puts the team ahead of personal goals. Kobe also isn't a team player, he thinks it's all about him.

[Shallow]

some quickies i'll throw out....  about this years pistons thumping jordan.... jordan had to eventually get thrrough detroits original bad boy team wich was stronger than this years team....

the ONLY reason i'd take magic over bird is cause he was a 6'9 point gaurd

please after kobe's performance no more comparisons mj

Bird could do anything Magic could do. Bird would run the point if needed be. The diffeerence is Bird proved he could take second rate teams to the championship. Magic's entire career, (College included) he's been with great teams. Bird made teams great. Not to take anything away Magic, if Bird is better it's only by very very very very small margin.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Kobe proved in this series that he isn't the next Jordan because Kobe sucked in this series. Shaq was all the Lakers had and it sure as hell wasn't enough against a team that puts the team ahead of personal goals. Kobe also isn't a team player, he thinks it's all about him.

The fact that he even played with all the pressure and issues he was facing actually brings him closer to Jordan...He didn't wanna let the team down, he didn't take the year off like most players would have done...Just face it, Bryant is a great player, and will go down in history as one of the bests...

[pappy]

with bird an magic i think them 2 its a matter of preference

[Shallow]

with bird an magic i think them 2 its a matter of preference

You're right. With Wilt, Russell, Bird, Magic, Jordan, and a couple others (Dr.J, West, Oscar), there is a plateau that there on where you can easily argue one over the other. Will any of today's players reach that plateau? Yeah sure. Guys like Shaq, and Duncan are almost there, but Kobe's got years to go.

[Doggystylin]

Duncan? no, Duncan has so much support, it might not seem like it but that team is very similar to the sacramento kings, their made up of very good players who are just below all star level and run deep in the bench. Duncan is very overatted IMO.