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if you want to know what I really think is that Israel should've never been created in the first place... especially not in the way that it was.
Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 19, 2005, 12:20:20 PMif you want to know what I really think is that Israel should've never been created in the first place... especially not in the way that it was.I believe my assumption wasn't as farfetched after all, especially when it wasn't an assumption but merely a conclusion of your words- a simplification. So thank you Jamal, for reinforcing my point.
Quote from: Don Rizzle on May 10, 2006, 03:16:12 AMiraq would just get annexed by iranThat would be a great solution. If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
iraq would just get annexed by iran
my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.
Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 19, 2005, 01:01:23 PMQuote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 19, 2005, 12:20:20 PMif you want to know what I really think is that Israel should've never been created in the first place... especially not in the way that it was.I believe my assumption wasn't as farfetched after all, especially when it wasn't an assumption but merely a conclusion of your words- a simplification. So thank you Jamal, for reinforcing my point.LOL... you're pathetic. You made a conclusion based on what you perceived my words to mean... which is an assumption... which is fine, but AFTER I tell you exactly what I mean and what I believe... you still hold onto that because you know I'm right... LOL how did I reinforce your point, when I just told you that your assumption about me was wrong.... basically what this has come down to is you telling me that you know better than I do what I think or believe... LOLLLL just drop it chump... you're a lost cause... my work is done here... you're beneath my level... go argue with the Jomes and Rampants...
Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 19, 2005, 11:07:26 PMQuote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 19, 2005, 01:01:23 PMQuote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 19, 2005, 12:20:20 PMif you want to know what I really think is that Israel should've never been created in the first place... especially not in the way that it was.I believe my assumption wasn't as farfetched after all, especially when it wasn't an assumption but merely a conclusion of your words- a simplification. So thank you Jamal, for reinforcing my point.LOL... you're pathetic. You made a conclusion based on what you perceived my words to mean... which is an assumption... which is fine, but AFTER I tell you exactly what I mean and what I believe... you still hold onto that because you know I'm right... LOL how did I reinforce your point, when I just told you that your assumption about me was wrong.... basically what this has come down to is you telling me that you know better than I do what I think or believe... LOLLLL just drop it chump... you're a lost cause... my work is done here... you're beneath my level... go argue with the Jomes and Rampants... Well I guess this is the closest you get to admitting you're wrong, you know, by leading the debate off topic, ok I get that, although it seems like you can't even do that right- so you go and stumble on your own words- being against Israel's existence to begin with=thinking it would be better if Israel didn't exist at all, so yea,just like the Arab league you adapt to the default option like a first class working girl, oh well, Israel exist's so you have to camouflage your agenda under a politicaly correct flag which is -"The Self Determination Right Of The Palestinians" (see my reply to Don Rizzle) although you don't qualify in anyway to be a spokesperson for the Arab world and the Palestinians in particular, trust me they've got the big guns there, rest your immature mind-those people could convince you that Israel is negotiating with UFOs,I guess you should know. Since you're just a byproduct of their propoganda- I'll give you one thing- You would very much like for the Palestinian side to be the righteous one,right, so technically there is no comouflaging of agenda on your part since you're transparent.
Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 20, 2005, 03:10:17 AMQuote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 19, 2005, 11:07:26 PMQuote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 19, 2005, 01:01:23 PMQuote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on October 19, 2005, 12:20:20 PMif you want to know what I really think is that Israel should've never been created in the first place... especially not in the way that it was.I believe my assumption wasn't as farfetched after all, especially when it wasn't an assumption but merely a conclusion of your words- a simplification. So thank you Jamal, for reinforcing my point.LOL... you're pathetic. You made a conclusion based on what you perceived my words to mean... which is an assumption... which is fine, but AFTER I tell you exactly what I mean and what I believe... you still hold onto that because you know I'm right... LOL how did I reinforce your point, when I just told you that your assumption about me was wrong.... basically what this has come down to is you telling me that you know better than I do what I think or believe... LOLLLL just drop it chump... you're a lost cause... my work is done here... you're beneath my level... go argue with the Jomes and Rampants... Well I guess this is the closest you get to admitting you're wrong, you know, by leading the debate off topic, ok I get that, although it seems like you can't even do that right- so you go and stumble on your own words- being against Israel's existence to begin with=thinking it would be better if Israel didn't exist at all, so yea,just like the Arab league you adapt to the default option like a first class working girl, oh well, Israel exist's so you have to camouflage your agenda under a politicaly correct flag which is -"The Self Determination Right Of The Palestinians" (see my reply to Don Rizzle) although you don't qualify in anyway to be a spokesperson for the Arab world and the Palestinians in particular, trust me they've got the big guns there, rest your immature mind-those people could convince you that Israel is negotiating with UFOs,I guess you should know. Since you're just a byproduct of their propoganda- I'll give you one thing- You would very much like for the Palestinian side to be the righteous one,right, so technically there is no comouflaging of agenda on your part since you're transparent.How did I lead the debate off topic when you're the one that ignored my entire post and simply stated that you still believe that your assumptions about me were correct... and all I did was respond to that.... LOLL so you go off topic, and I respond... and that means that I'm the one that went off topic... great logic you got.I'm not putting anything under a politically correct flag... I've said it before and I'll say it again... Israel exists now, and there's nothing anybody can do about that... but do I think that the Zionists had the right to just come and take the land? No.... but the Jews living there today aren't at fault... they had nothing to do with what happened... they have homes and lives there now, and shouldn't be pushed off the land like the Palestinians were/are... LOLL and when the fuck did I claim to be a spokesperson for the Arab world? You love pulling shit out of your ass... as a matter of fact, it was you speaking on behalf of the Israeli leaders telling me why YOU THINK they did what they did... I'm a byproduct of propaganda? I haven't even stated anything remotely close to being propaganda... I guess the barrier that's 30 times larger than the Berlin Wall really is a fence then... and only dumbasses who fall victim to propaganda would be stupid enough to actually believe it was a wall. LOLLL you're flip floppin like a schizophrenic John Kerry... first you tell me that you don't think Israeli leaders did anything on purpose (you speaking on behalf of them), then you tell me what my views and beliefs are, then when I respond to that and inform you what it is I really believe, then you say I went off topic and tell me that I'm no spokesperson for the Arab world when it was you speaking on behalf of Zionist murderers and their motives...Let me ask you 1 simple question... there is nothing subjective about this... If Israel wants to build a fence (since I'm a victim of propaganda I'd like to call it a wall since it's 30 times larger than the Berlin WALL)... but if Israel wants to build one for its protection, which it has the right to do.... why doesn't it build it on the Green Line...and instead decides to cut into Palestinian territory (bulldozing more homes, cutting down more of their trees knowing they depend on agriculture, etc)... why steal even more land? And is that justified? The International Court doesn't seem to think so, but then again... who the hell are they... I mean we got I Geezy saying it's okay... LOLL you guys are all the sameAnd NIK is right, this does just go in circles... the reason for that is that you can't or aren't willing to notice the flaws on the side you support... so being in denial you jump all over the place like a dog in the dark trying to find a way out...
Yeah, you went off-topic and I returned to it....
Zionism implies the creation of a Jewish state on the land on which Israel is today.
Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on October 20, 2005, 04:14:30 PMZionism implies the creation of a Jewish state on the land on which Israel is today.We both know it's far more complex than that.... but let's say that this is all there was to it... what gives any group of people the right to go and kick people off a land to make it their own? My point is that things went wrong right from the start... shit has just been chaos since... Anyways, I went to a lecture here at UCLA last night... it was by an organization called One Voice.. it's Palestinians and Israelis uniting to find a path towards peace... Jason Alexander (George on Seinfeld) was one of the members speaking... they have gone out to the streets of Israeli and Palestinian villages/towns/cities and a majority of the people they have talked to on both sides want peace ASAP... the problem is that the extremists on both sides have more control, and sadly are focused on more by our media... basically the moderates are kinda pushed out of the picture even though they are the majority.... the average citizen wants a solution but the extremists have their agendas to push and often times they're not really risking anything except lives other than their own...
That's a nice rosy story... you've got the broad picture down... but you're missing a lot of things. Once you can be honest with yourself... you'll realize that you have nothing to lose by telling the whole truth on what you know... instead of posting about historic facts and events which include Jewish terrorism and slaughter of Palestinians, I'm just going to stick to the point and show you that there's more to Zionism than just the establishment of a Jewish home... because that's the goal, yes, but the ideology entails more, and the means to justify that end isn't as rosy as you'd like to believe.... so instead of talking out of my ass, like you do, I'm just going to let the guys who were a part of this movement, and quite frankly, who know a lot more about it than you or I, do the talking.... What did Theodore Herzl state in the "Complete Diaries" (1895)?"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly."How about Joseph Weitz of the Jewish Agencys Colonization Department (1940) which was responsible for the actual organization of settlements in Palestine?"Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both parties together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries - all of them. Not one village, not one tribe should be left."By the way, if you want a better understanding of the complexity Zionism entails, I suggest you read "The Iron Wall" by Vladimir Jabotinsky who was the founder of Revisionist Zionism (precursor of Likud).... here's a couple quotes that will show you what I mean when I say that Zionism is more than just "a Jewish homeland"... it's an ideology that entails a lot more than that...."Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which will be in position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is, in total, our policy towards the Arabs...""If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempts to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE! Zionism is a colonizing adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force....it is important to be able to shoot-or else I am through with playing at colonialization."As you can see... in order for the Zionists to achieve their goal, they have to do a lot of not so nice things...