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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: Hellquist on December 15, 2024, 01:47:03 PM
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Scott Storch only played keys on "Still D.R.E." and "Big Egos." Nothing wrong with being a session player, most rock musicians are. Look up any famous guitar or drummer in rock, most of them have been session players while being in their band. It's not common in rap/hip hop.
We need to have a real discussion about beatmaker, producer, and instrumentalist because it discredits the main producer. Dr. Dre is or arguably the greatest producer in rap history. His track record speaks for itself. No need to discredit people.
Look at the credits on albums, it tells you all you need to know. Making up things like Scott Storch "produced" half of 2001 is bullshit. Scott Storch in his prime in the 2000s was damn good, but nowhere close to Dr. Dre.
Rap/hip hop is the only genre to do this, "He didn't make that! I brought the Isaac Hayes samples! I played drums on there!" No one gives a shit about this in other genres. Prince is one example of someone who can produce his own albums on his own, but he still had session players. No one does this shit alone in music, it's impossible. Someone has to mix, engineer, write, etc.
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Ok grandpa lets get you to the bed.
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Scott Storch only played keys on "Still D.R.E." and "Big Egos." Nothing wrong with being a session player, most rock musicians are. Look up any famous guitar or drummer in rock, most of them have been session players while being in their band. It's not common in rap/hip hop.
We need to have a real discussion about beatmaker, producer, and instrumentalist because it discredits the main producer. Dr. Dre is or arguably the greatest producer in rap history. His track record speaks for itself. No need to discredit people.
Look at the credits on albums, it tells you all you need to know. Making up things like Scott Storch "produced" half of 2001 is bullshit. Scott Storch in his prime in the 2000s was damn good, but nowhere close to Dr. Dre.
Rap/hip hop is the only genre to do this, "He didn't make that! I brought the Isaac Hayes samples! I played drums on there!" No one gives a shit about this in other genres. Prince is one example of someone who can produce his own albums on his own, but he still had session players. No one does this shit alone in music, it's impossible. Someone has to mix, engineer, write, etc.
This album is over 25 years old. I don’t think anyone cares at this point who you think is responsible for making it famous. Irrelevant.
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OP is on point
and this discussion stems from cey cey claiming that “scott storch is responsible for the sound on 2001” in another thread
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has Scott ever “produced” anything? and why does Dre always get questioned about what he did and didn’t produce? and why don’t other big name producers get that same treatment?
:hmmm:
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Heard that Storch did the keys on Eminem Bonnie and Clyde - wild
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has Scott ever “produced” anything? and why does Dre always get questioned about what he did and didn’t produce? and why don’t other big name producers get that same treatment?
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storch started producing later in his career
but for 2001, he was merely a session player
people question dre cuz he’s the goat .. that’s what people do
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Heard that Storch did the keys on Eminem Bonnie and Clyde - wild
this is a lie lol
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Heard that Storch did the keys on Eminem Bonnie and Clyde - wild
i asked it to jeff bass's son jake bass, he said its not true.
what i believe is dre was trying to mix that record in his own way and maybe he asked scott to replay some keys. but at the end they quit trying and wanted to use the original bass brothers mix for the album.
what makes me believe this, dr. dre mixed "rock bottom" for example and scott can't make up something like this.
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OP is on point
and this discussion stems from cey cey claiming that “scott storch is responsible for the sound on 2001” in another thread
NO no no... i didnt say that. what i said was "without scott stoch, camara kambon and mel-man 2001 wouldnt have the same impact it did".
camara kambon and mel-man was with dr. dre since 96, with aftermath presents album, firm flop and etc...
what i am saying is scott storch was the missing key to this team.
you say that scott was a session player before he start working for dre but thats not true also. seems u dont know enough about scott's career and discography.
he produced 3 songs for Roots' "things fall apart" album already before he met dre and one of those songs won a grammy.
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AGree. Storch was one of the players. Maybe he did some melodies, but he didnt make the sound of the album.
If you bring sample in, drums, hook, dosent make you a producer or brain behinde it .
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NO no no... i didnt say that. what i said was "without scott stoch, camara kambon and mel-man 2001 wouldnt have the same impact it did".
camara kambon and mel-man was with dr. dre since 96, with aftermath presents album, firm flop and etc...
what i am saying is scott storch was the missing key to this team.
you say that scott was a session player before he start working for dre but thats not true also. seems u dont know enough about scott's career and discography.
he produced 3 songs for Roots' "things fall apart" album already before he met dre and one of those songs won a grammy.
storch was only co-producer on those roots joints .. not even a joint producer. grand wizzards were the producers.
as usual, u continue overrating storch role
2001 was going to be a classic no matter what …. dre had TONS of classic beats during that 96-98 era …. not sure what your fascination wit storch is, but it’s making me sound like i don’t like him.. when i actually believe he’s super dope. but come on, let’s be real here.
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Did you guys forget that Scott Storch was running the mainstream game after the success of "2001" through the 2000's? He just fell of because of his drug addiction and crazy lifestyle... I totally agree, that he was an important key player to 2001's legendary sound. He is responsible for the main melody of the greatest hip hop beat of all time, arguably. But without Dre's (+Segal's) perfect mixing and crafty productions in that era (+MPC3000 drum programming with Mel-Man) it wouldn't be nearly the same. Storch was not a big producer in 99' yet, but "2001" gave him a gigantic push forward his run afterwards.
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storch started producing later in his career
but for 2001, he was merely a session player
people question dre cuz he’s the goat .. that’s what people do
I agree he is the GOAT
but for example you never hear anyone question Primo or RZA...or Quik and Battlecat...even thought they are up there as well
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I agree he is the GOAT
but for example you never hear anyone question Primo or RZA...or Quik and Battlecat...even thought they are up there as well
i’ve heard them all questioned outside of battlecat.. just not on the same level as dre, because frankly, they not on that same echelon of greatness as dre
for primo, they say his beats are just cheap samples with no real compositions
for quik, they do the same as dre and claim that robert bacon and g-won were doing most the work
for rza, they say he’s not a real producer and that he just uses loops of old asian shit
matter of fact, i even heard someone say battlecat is not that good n overrated recently LOL
it’s all just haters being haters
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storch was only co-producer on those roots joints .. not even a joint producer. grand wizzards were the producers.
as usual, u continue overrating storch role
2001 was going to be a classic no matter what …. dre had TONS of classic beats during that 96-98 era …. not sure what your fascination wit storch is, but it’s making me sound like i don’t like him.. when i actually believe he’s super dope. but come on, let’s be real here.
Co producer means producer, not a session player, he was a grammy winner producer already before being a "session player" for dre as you think.
Chronic was going to be a classic but think that nuthin but a g thang was never made. Scott learned a lot from dre of course and he was not resposible with sound and sonics of album, its dre and mel man. What i am saying scott brought something missing to make it ×2 better than what it was.
I dont need to overrate scott, he was one of the most famous producers in early 2000s. Also my favorite dr. Dre productions are mostly co produced by scott storch. He is my favoite co producer of dre.
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Co producer means producer, not a session player, he was a grammy winner producer already before being a "session player" for dre as you think.
Chronic was going to be a classic but think that nuthin but a g thang was never made. Scott learned a lot from dre of course and he was not resposible with sound and sonics of album, its dre and mel man. What i am saying scott brought something missing to make it ×2 better than what it was.
I dont need to overrate scott, he was one of the most famous producers in early 2000s. Also my favorite dr. Dre productions are mostly co produced by scott storch. He is my favoite co producer of dre.
in hip hop there are levels to producer
there’s a primary producer
so that means there can be 2 equal producers on the same track (ala tim and bob, jimmy jam and terry lewis etc.)
then there’s co-producer, which is basically like a sous chef.. an assistant to the primary producer
so yea, he wasn’t the big producer we know til AFTER 2001 came out
2001 is not even co-produced by scott storch, so how can u call him your favorite co-producer of dre?
like what are these co-produced storch beats u talkin bout
saying 2001 is 2x better because of one piano riff is nuts. i mean, it’s a dope ass riff, don’t get me wrong…. but u use that same riff on a joint that isn’t as well produced and it gets lost in the mix
calling storch his best co-producer wit cats like the glove, budda, sam sneed, collin wolfe etc. in the mix is crazy talk to me
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in hip hop there are levels to producer
there’s a primary producer
so that means there can be 2 equal producers on the same track (ala tim and bob, jimmy jam and terry lewis etc.)
then there’s co-producer, which is basically like a sous chef.. an assistant to the primary producer
so yea, he wasn’t the big producer we know til AFTER 2001 came out
2001 is not even co-produced by scott storch, so how can u call him your favorite co-producer of dre?
like what are these co-produced storch beats u talkin bout
saying 2001 is 2x better because of one piano riff is nuts. i mean, it’s a dope ass riff, don’t get me wrong…. but u use that same riff on a joint that isn’t as well produced and it gets lost in the mix
calling storch his best co-producer wit cats like the glove, budda, sam sneed, collin wolfe etc. in the mix is crazy talk to me
I didnt day scott co produced 2001, you keep saying things that i havent said.
There are lots of dre productions scott storch is credited as co producer.
I know what producing, co production or additional production are bro. Dont stuck in terms.
Scott didnt do only still dre piano riff for 2001. He is involved in 8 or 9 songs of 2001.
After 2001 he started to credited as co producer for a lot of dr dre productions. I'm going to share a list for you soon.
Colin wolfe was never a producer, neither camara kambon.
Budda is one of my all time producers, he succeed things on his own with his solo productions for ice cube, westside connection, aaliyah, king t, xzibit, tank, etc...
But none of dre's co producets achived what scott could do as a solo producer. That makes him the best and most succesful co producer of dre.
We dont talk about who you like more or which is your favorite. We talk about facts, charts, single, sales, streams
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I didnt day scott co produced 2001, you keep saying things that i havent said.
There are lots of dre productions scott storch is credited as co producer.
I know what producing, co production or additional production are bro. Dont stuck in terms.
Scott didnt do only still dre piano riff for 2001. He is involved in 8 or 9 songs of 2001.
After 2001 he started to credited as co producer for a lot of dr dre productions. I'm going to share a list for you soon.
Colin wolfe was never a producer, neither camara kambon.
Budda is one of my all time producers, he succeed things on his own with his solo productions for ice cube, westside connection, aaliyah, king t, xzibit, tank, etc...
But none of dre's co producets achived what scott could do as a solo producer. That makes him the best and most succesful co producer of dre.
We dont talk about who you like more or which is your favorite. We talk about facts, charts, single, sales, streams
you are talking about success .. i am talking about who is better … 2 different things
based on what you’re saying, swizz beats > battlecat LOL
i can check the credits again, but i’m pretty sure storch is NOT involved in 8 or 9 songs on 2001
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Isn't it widely accepted that Storch started off as a session player and then graduated to producing (as in beat making, not producing like Dre does)?
Timbo even referenced it when they beefed "I'm a real producer and you're just the piano man"
^ Which on another note, despite Stoch being a dope producer, his response where he raps is horrific...
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Isn't it widely accepted that Storch started off as a session player and then graduated to producing (as in beat making, not producing like Dre does)?
Timbo even referenced it when they beefed "I'm a real producer and you're just the piano man"
^ Which on another note, despite Stoch being a dope producer, his response where he raps is horrific...
yes LOL
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you are talking about success .. i am talking about who is better … 2 different things
based on what you’re saying, swizz beats > battlecat LOL
i can check the credits again, but i’m pretty sure storch is NOT involved in 8 or 9 songs on 2001
i told you that you have lack of knowledge about scott. ask me :)
let me give you the info
the watcher
fuck you
still dre
big egos
lets get high
bitch niggaz
murder ink
housewife (not sure, need to check my og copy)
are the songs scott is involved in.
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i told you that you have lack of knowledge about scott. ask me :)
let me give you the info
the watcher
fuck you
still dre
big egos
lets get high
bitch niggaz
murder ink
housewife
are the songs scott is involved in.
bro, u not slick at all LOL
u threw in housewife in there to fill your 8-9 song quota
:mjlol:
storch had nothing to do with housewife
so like i said, storch was not involved in 8-9 songs on 2001.. and on most of the ones he was involved, he was the SECONDARY keyboardist…….
now let’s recap. you claimed storch was producing songs for the roots, which was FALSE. he was basically an assistant to the producers of those joints
then you claim storch did up to 9 tracks for 2001, which also turned out to be false
i think it’s YOU who needs to brush up on his knowledge of mr. storch, my friend
:shittedon:
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bro, u not slick at all LOL
u threw in housewife in there to fill your 8-9 song quota
:mjlol:
storch had nothing to do with housewife
so like i said, storch was not involved in 8-9 songs on 2001.. and on most of the ones he was involved, he was the SECONDARY keyboardist…….
now let’s recap. you claimed storch was producing songs for the roots, which was FALSE. he was basically an assistant to the producers of those joints
then you claim storch did up to 9 tracks for 2001, which also turned out to be false
i think it’s YOU who needs to brush up on his knowledge of mr. storch, my friend
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i didn't check anywhere, just wrote what i remember. i might have wrong about housewife.
so it makes 7 songs? did you mean it could be 7 when u said it cant be 8 :)))
it wasnt wrong he produced for roots. he is credited as co producer, you just didnt know it and you still trying to deny, its funny. you said he was session player only before 2001, very false.
grammy and booklet says that not me.
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i didn't check anywhere, just wrote what i remember. i might have wrong about housewife.
so it makes 7 songs? did you mean it could be 7 when u said it cant be 8 :)))
it wasnt wrong he produced for roots. he is credited as co producer, you just didnt know it and you still trying to deny, its funny. you said he was session player only before 2001, very false.
grammy and booklet says that not me.
but so far you are the only one giving false info, due to your fascination with scott storch
you called him a producer pre-2001 when he was only a session player who had 3 credits of CO-PRODUCTION lol
then you exaggerated and/or lied about how much work storch did on 2001 and credited him as the person behind the dr. dre sound of that era when he was merely the backup to the main keyboard player
and to sit there and insinuate that i’m not familiar wit the roots work is insulting tbh
(https://i.ibb.co/k86nBQ9/383-F887-A-7-EC0-40-C0-9-D57-E4-DD6-E98-E0-F8.jpg)
where’s your copy? you ol storch fanatic you
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but so far you are the only one giving false info, due to your fascination with scott storch
you called him a producer pre-2001 when he was only a session player who had 3 credits of CO-PRODUCTION lol
then you exaggerated and/or lied about how much work storch did on 2001 and credited him as the person behind the dr. dre sound of that era when he was merely the backup to the main keyboard player
and to sit there and insinuate that i’m not familiar wit the roots work is insulting tbh
(https://i.ibb.co/k86nBQ9/383-F887-A-7-EC0-40-C0-9-D57-E4-DD6-E98-E0-F8.jpg)
where’s your copy? you ol storch fanatic you
you make up something i didnt say again :) come on, be fair. i didnt say u are not familiar with roots, i said you are not familiar with scott enough.
i never lie, i guess i am only wrong with "one track", that doesnt mean lying or exegerrating. so he did 7 tracks off the 2001. thats huge. you was thinking its only still dre and big egos maybe. so you were wrong.
you said scott was a session player before he met dre, as you have the booklet he co produced 3 songs for roots, you was thinking he was just played keys. so you were wrong.
i was wrong on "one track" :) i accept that.
accept yours too. lets be fair to each other brother.
and lets go back to the point, scott was the missing key to dre, mel man and camara kambon team to me, we should thank "eve" for introducing him to dre.
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you make up something i didnt say again :) come on, be fair. i didnt say u are not familiar with roots, i said you are not familiar with scott enough.
i never lie, i guess i am only wrong with "one track", that doesnt mean lying or exegerrating. so he did 7 tracks off the 2001. thats huge. you was thinking its only still dre and big egos maybe. so you were wrong.
you said scott was a session player before he met dre, as you have the booklet he co produced 3 songs for roots, you was thinking he was just played keys. so you were wrong.
i was wrong on "one track" :) i accept that.
accept yours too. lets be fair to each other brother.
and lets go back to the point, scott was the missing key to dre, mel man and camara kambon team to me, we should thank "eve" for introducing him to dre.
if it wasn’t scott, it woulda been someone else
dre was on fire during that period and people like storch were just instruments to him
still dre and big egos were the only songs storch had input on …. the others, he was just being used as a session player
to pretend like this is some new knowledge is funny … my posting history is well documented, and i’ve discussed the roles on 2001 thoroughly on many occasions here
trust me, i had a homie named imperial (RIP) who i would regularly spend hours talkin hip-hop with and he was just like you- a huge scott storch groupie who swore up n down that storch was more than a piano man .. i crushed his whole vision of the role storch played when i broke down how he was more elizando or batson than he was glove or mel-man
my dude…the truth shall set u free.. you will eventually see the light.. im jus tryna help u see it sooner
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Ok grandpa lets get you to the bed.
lol
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this is a lie lol
no he really did I also think I heard it in an interview.. because of course there's the o.g version from the EP but then when Storch first got brought in they added some keys to the LP release
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no he really did I also think I heard it in an interview.. because of course there's the o.g version from the EP but then when Storch first got brought in they added some keys to the LP release
storch is a notorious liar
the bass brothers already came out n said that wasn’t true
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saying 2001 is 2x better because of one piano riff is nuts. … use that same riff on a joint that isn’t as well produced and it gets lost in the mix
I agree. You can see it first-hand with the joints that Scott produced afterward without Dre. Take Jadakiss - Time's Up, for example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trOK7wx8GDo
It has piano keys that only assist the overall production. They do not hit hard. Dre is responsible for making Scott's piano lines stand out and grab our attention.
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I agree. You can see it first-hand with the joints that Scott produced afterward without Dre. Take Jadakiss - Time's Up, for example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trOK7wx8GDo
It has piano keys that only assist the overall production. They do not hit hard. Dre is responsible for making Scott's piano lines stand out and grab our attention.
unequivocally
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He did make some hits, but production wast hìtting like dres. No homo.
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Lmao @ sccit storch claiming he played that shit for em. Poor bass brothers
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I agree. You can see it first-hand with the joints that Scott produced afterward without Dre. Take Jadakiss - Time's Up, for example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trOK7wx8GDo
It has piano keys that only assist the overall production. They do not hit hard. Dre is responsible for making Scott's piano lines stand out and grab our attention.
They do not it hard because thats what the production needed. Its not scott or his mix engineer doesnt know how to make it hard. It is a choice. You cant expect scott to do it like just dre does, every producer does his own thing, different ears and different visions.
Time is up is one of my favorite scott joints. Thanks for sharing this classic. Rip Nate Dogg.
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Lmao @ sccit storch claiming he played that shit for em. Poor bass brothers
He didnt claim that. Its what some people understood. He said he met eminem personally while he was helping dre for remaking just the two of us song. Seems dre was making his own version for Just the two of us and needed scotts help for it, but i guess he gave up doing it and let the bass brothers do their own version with a new title called 97 bonnie and clyde. Original version was titled "just the two of us and produced by Dj head.
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He didnt claim that. Its what some people understood. He said he met eminem personally while he was helping dre for remaking just the two of us song. Seems dre was making his own version for Just the two of us and needed scotts help for it, but i guess he gave up doing it and let the bass brothers do their own version with a new title called 97 bonnie and clyde. Original version was titled "just the two of us and produced by Dj head.
:fisherlol:
you’re worse than lebron fans bro
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I agree. You can see it first-hand with the joints that Scott produced afterward without Dre. Take Jadakiss - Time's Up, for example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trOK7wx8GDo
It has piano keys that only assist the overall production. They do not hit hard. Dre is responsible for making Scott's piano lines stand out and grab our attention.
This is an excellent post and track for comparison of how Scott sounds with and without Dre. It's still a dope joint, but certainly it's Dre taking it next level.
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Without Scott Storch, 2001 wouldn't have even sounded anything like 2001, and instead been more like a Dr. Dre Presents: The Aftermath (volume 2) because a lot of the staff (like Kambon) on that were also on 2001.
Storch being responsible for the melody's though, is the key thing involved in songs, for memorability, and memorability of that entire album. Obviously the bass and other elements are memorable too for the sound, but the melody is what you hum or whistle and although Storch gets credit on some songs, I do believe he did far more on that album. He has stated in the past that he was given a bunch of money when he first met Dre, prior to the album even being worked on, where he was able to rent out a great apartment, get a brand new Mercedes lease, new wardrobe, so I could definitely see him relinquishing "some" of his credit in favour of the advances and benefits he obtained before the album release.
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Without Scott Storch, 2001 wouldn't have even sounded anything like 2001, and instead been more like a Dr. Dre Presents: The Aftermath (volume 2) because a lot of the staff (like Kambon) on that were also on 2001.
Storch being responsible for the melody's though, is the key thing involved in songs, for memorability, and memorability of that entire album. Obviously the bass and other elements are memorable too for the sound, but the melody is what you hum or whistle and although Storch gets credit on some songs, I do believe he did far more on that album. He has stated in the past that he was given a bunch of money when he first met Dre, prior to the album even being worked on, where he was able to rent out a great apartment, get a brand new Mercedes lease, new wardrobe, so I could definitely see him relinquishing "some" of his credit in favour of the advances and benefits he obtained before the album release.
lmaooooooo
the only melodie’s storch was responsible for was the piano riff on still dre and the little piano sound on big egos
that’s it.. those are the only 2 songs he wrote ANYTHING on
on most the other songs he worked on he was merely a backup keyboardist to kambon, only assisting him on playing music that was written for him
“2001 wouldn’t have sounded anything like it sounded witout storch” is nasty work … this is how unsubstantiated narratives form and get passed on. it’s irresponsible conjecture that has no basis outside of “this is what i think!”….when u make statements like that and pass them off as facts, you need to make sure you have the inside information to say it first.
“storch received a lot of money so therefore that means he is responsible for more than what we were told!” .. do you hear yourself bro? …. storch has a huge mouth and over talks himself at every chance he gets. when he came up wit the riff to still dre (his claim to fame), we heard him brag about it in every interview and make it the center of his discussion. so if you think he came up with most of 2001, you really believe he wouldn’t have made that public information by now? shit, it’s been proven that the guy regularly takes credit for things he had nothing to do with.. and you think he wouldn’t say “oh yea by the way, i came up with most of 2001”?? lmao .. people really need to stop making things up in their mind and convincing others of their delusions.
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lmaooooooo
the only melodie’s storch was responsible for was the piano riff on still dre and the little piano sound on big egos
that’s it.. those are the only 2 songs he wrote ANYTHING on
false. we already discussed he is involved in 7 songs.
Calm down brıo... didnt you already mak your comment? you cant react everybody just because they dont feel like you about the situation.
scott played an important role for almost half of the album and some people think without him 2001 wouldnt have the same impact. some dont think the same.
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false. we already discussed he is involved in 7 songs.
Calm down brıo... didnt you already mak your comment? you cant react everybody just because they dont feel like you about the situation.
scott played an important role for almost half of the album and some people think without him 2001 wouldnt have the same impact. some dont think the same.
bruh i know you’re not this dumb
yes he was involved in 7 songs.. but as a backup SESSION PLAYER on 5 out of those 7. he WROTE on only 2 songs. this is not hard information to come across, and since lord knows u love u some storch, you should look into it if u truly care to know the truth.
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This is an excellent post and track for comparison of how Scott sounds with and without Dre. It's still a dope joint, but certainly it's Dre taking it next level.
yep...this is the same case for pretty much every producer who has left Dre
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yep...this is the same case for pretty much every producer who has left Dre
i feel like some of the key co-producers like Batson & Elizondo have a sound that is very close to what Dre does, Storch is the one who was sonically lacking but more than made up for it with iconic melodies. Storch's recipe (that Times Up track is a great example) was taking the 2001 sound and just continuing it. even when he switched to the arabic thing which was very much his thing the percussion was still based on the 2001 sound. and with a good studio/engineer team he had hit after hit.
i agree Dre always took his stuff to the next level which is why they were such a perfect combination. listen to Candy Shop or tracks that Dre mixed later down the line, they go way harder than what Storch was cooking by himself. mainly the clarity & bass which is not quite there on Storch records but there are outliers like Lean Back, he deffo had some heat.
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lmaooooooo
the only melodie’s storch was responsible for was the piano riff on still dre and the little piano sound on big egos
that’s it.. those are the only 2 songs he wrote ANYTHING on
on most the other songs he worked on he was merely a backup keyboardist to kambon, only assisting him on playing music that was written for him
“2001 wouldn’t have sounded anything like it sounded witout storch” is nasty work … this is how unsubstantiated narratives form and get passed on. it’s irresponsible conjecture that has no basis outside of “this is what i think!”….when u make statements like that and pass them off as facts, you need to make sure you have the inside information to say it first.
“storch received a lot of money so therefore that means he is responsible for more than what we were told!” .. do you hear yourself bro? …. storch has a huge mouth and over talks himself at every chance he gets. when he came up wit the riff to still dre (his claim to fame), we heard him brag about it in every interview and make it the center of his discussion. so if you think he came up with most of 2001, you really believe he wouldn’t have made that public information by now? shit, it’s been proven that the guy regularly takes credit for things he had nothing to do with.. and you think he wouldn’t say “oh yea by the way, i came up with most of 2001”?? lmao .. people really need to stop making things up in their mind and convincing others of their delusions.
I never said he definitely produced more, or made more, but just that it's a possibility that Scott Storch did do more on 2001, and didn't receive all of the credits, mutually, due to prior advances. 2001 has an entirely different sound compared to Aftermath Presents compilation, yet a lot of the same talent are on both projects. Post 2001, many of Scott Storch's beats he is credited as a main producer for had a lot of success. He wrote and produced Christina Aguilera's fighter, and the Can't Hold us Down track. Those were massive hits at the time. He probably produced for a wider range of mainstream pop artists than Dre did during that era. It would be interesting to see the numbers.
Storch may be credited for only x2 songs on 2001, but that song posted earlier in the comments sounds just like any other 2001 era beat IMO, just a little lighter, so it isn't impossible to think he may have had a hand in more on 2001. I think he was undeniably a key element to the team / sound at that time, even just to add input in the studio and expose Dre (and others) to a different perspective on music, who can then take ideas and get the best out of them. Dre has been around for decades, and for the most part he gets it right, but he has had some rubbish out over the years, just like any other top producer, and it's evident when he doesn't have the right team behind him. I've lost count of the number of times, a particularly in the last 15 years where I've heard a "produced by Dr Dre" and thought 'meh', nothing like before. Many producers like him, Quik and Storch included, I have had that same impression
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I never said he definitely produced more, or made more, but just that it's a possibility that Scott Storch did do more on 2001, and didn't receive all of the credits, mutually, due to prior advances. 2001 has an entirely different sound compared to Aftermath Presents compilation, yet a lot of the same talent are on both projects. Post 2001, many of Scott Storch's beats he is credited as a main producer for had a lot of success. He wrote and produced Christina Aguilera's fighter, and the Can't Hold us Down track. Those were massive hits at the time. He probably produced for a wider range of mainstream pop artists than Dre did during that era. It would be interesting to see the numbers.
Storch may be credited for only x2 songs on 2001, but that song posted earlier in the comments sounds just like any other 2001 era beat IMO, just a little lighter, so it isn't impossible to think he may have had a hand in more on 2001. I think he was undeniably a key element to the team / sound at that time, even just to add input in the studio and expose Dre (and others) to a different perspective on music, who can then take ideas and get the best out of them. Dre has been around for decades, and for the most part he gets it right, but he has had some rubbish out over the years, just like any other top producer, and it's evident when he doesn't have the right team behind him. I've lost count of the number of times, a particularly in the last 15 years where I've heard a "produced by Dr Dre" and thought 'meh', nothing like before. Many producers like him, Quik and Storch included, I have had that same impression
the song posted earlier sound like a dre style beat because it is LOL .. storch was doing dre imitation beats once he started doing his own thing. his stuff before dre sounded nothing like that. the whole industry was doing dre imitation beats after 2001 came out .. but the point that i’m making is that the overall 2001 sound was far more mel man than it was storch. you listen to a beat like “year 2000” by xzibit and you can hear that signature 2001 sound … you say the aftermath compilation beats sounded different but beats like “blunt time” or “east/west coast killaz” are very similar in nature to the 2001 sound. 2001 was just an evolution of that.. but again, i can’t stress it enough, storch was not anywhere close to being the reason for that evolution.. he was involved mainly as an instrument, not a creator. these are all facts.
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the song posted earlier sound like a dre style beat because it is LOL .. storch was doing dre imitation beats once he started doing his own thing. his stuff before dre sounded nothing like that. the whole industry was doing dre imitation beats after 2001 came out .. but the point that i’m making is that the overall 2001 sound was far more mel man than it was storch. you listen to a beat like “year 2000” by xzibit and you can hear that signature 2001 sound … you say the aftermath compilation beats sounded different but beats like “blunt time” or “east/west coast killaz” are very similar in nature to the 2001 sound. 2001 was just an evolution of that.. but again, i can’t stress it enough, storch was not anywhere close to being the reason for that evolution.. he was involved mainly as an instrument, not a creator. these are all facts.
These are not facts just because you are the only one approving yourself.
As long as somebody doesnt tell you which melody to play properly, if you create the melody by yourself and producer decides to use it, it makes you a composer and creator.
Blunt time (my favorite aftermath presents song) and east west killaz has nothing to do with 2001 sound by the way.
Scott never did dre imatation beats. He had in own style, especially with piano riffs, string compositions and the way he uses lead. Dre took these and produced songs like still dre, big egos, murder ink, watcher, bla bla (7 songs on 2001)
Scott was already a grammy winner producer for Roots before he met dre. As i know he did bladoow for busta before 2001 album but that song was released after 2001. So after 2001 scott got attention of hiphop world from east to west. Not mel man, not camara, not mike, only scott got attention and shined. Thats a proof of he was one of the most shining star of 2001 album with his unique contribution. Anyway, he took his own style and made his own productions with it. Its not dre imitation beats because it was already belong to scott more than dre. Dre was just taking it to another level with his own vision and the way he mixes it. Tell me if "truck volume" song of Busta Rhymes is a scott type of beat or dr.dre beat? On your perspective it should be a scott stroch imitation beat produced by dre.
Scott did his own thing with candy shop, just a lil bit, family portrait, me my self and i, fighter, lean back, times up, lets ride... these only sound scott to me, they dont taste dre.
But when you listen to break ya neck, truck volume, poppin them thangs, X, let me blow your mind, aint nuthin but music, put it on me, lookin at you... you can feel its scott storch over there involved.
Dre is an executive producer/producer/mix engineer/beatmaker/dj.... we accept he is the best of bests. Praising scott and appriciating him is not disrespecting dre. We should be thankful dr.dre and scott storch met and we had chances to hear many classics and still listening today. We are not comparing scott and dre. They are on different levels for sure. But its just bullshit and nonsense to claim scott to make cheap imitation dre beats. Scott's catalog is wider than dre if we talk about genres, artists and songs. But thats dre's choice to work with just a few people he fucks with and he just makes rap or rnb beats. Scott worked with more artists in way more genres as a solo producer. Giving scott his flowers will not make you a dr.dre or melman hater. You are talking like a typical hater, and you are far from being sensible because of that.
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These are not facts just because you are the only one approving yourself.
As long as somebody doesnt tell you which melody to play properly, if you create the melody by yourself and producer decides to use it, it makes you a composer and creator.
Blunt time (my favorite aftermath presents song) and east west killaz has nothing to do with 2001 sound by the way.
Scott never did dre imatation beats. He had in own style, especially with piano riffs, string compositions and the way he uses lead. Dre took these and produced songs like still dre, big egos, murder ink, watcher, bla bla (7 songs on 2001)
Scott was already a grammy winner producer for Roots before he met dre. As i know he did bladoow for busta before 2001 album but that song was released after 2001. So after 2001 scott got attention of hiphop world from east to west. Not mel man, not camara, not mike, only scott got attention and shined. Thats a proof of he was one of the most shining star of 2001 album with his unique contribution. Anyway, he took his own style and made his own productions with it. Its not dre imitation beats because it was already belong to scott more than dre. Dre was just taking it to another level with his own vision and the way he mixes it. Tell me if "truck volume" song of Busta Rhymes is a scott type of beat or dr.dre beat? On your perspective it should be a scott stroch imitation beat produced by dre.
Scott did his own thing with candy shop, just a lil bit, family portrait, me my self and i, fighter, lean back, times up, lets ride... these only sound scott to me, they dont taste dre.
But when you listen to break ya neck, truck volume, poppin them thangs, X, let me blow your mind, aint nuthin but music, put it on me, lookin at you... you can feel its scott storch over there involved.
Dre is an executive producer/producer/mix engineer/beatmaker/dj.... we accept he is the best of bests. Praising scott and appriciating him is not disrespecting dre. We should be thankful dr.dre and scott storch met and we had chances to hear many classics and still listening today. We are not comparing scott and dre. They are on different levels for sure. But its just bullshit and nonsense to claim scott to make cheap imitation dre beats. Scott's catalog is wider than dre if we talk about genres, artists and songs. But thats dre's choice to work with just a few people he fucks with and he just makes rap or rnb beats. Scott worked with more artists in way more genres as a solo producer. Giving scott his flowers will not make you a dr.dre or melman hater. You are talking like a typical hater, and you are far from being sensible because of that.
it has nothing to do wit me being a hater… these are not facts because i say so .. they’re facts because they’re facts
storch has TWO writing credits on 2001 .. and ZERO production credits …. but u insist on crediting him for the sound on the entire album …. it’s embarrassing levels of groupieism to be quite honest .. storch himself would laugh at how much you’re on his dick
and i said it before, i’m a big storch fan
but this is the 2001 sound:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Se3rmMdsun4
mel man
the beat for X came from a Tim n Bob beat .. again, string/orchestra/violin style compositions were being done by dre well before storch came along
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c80dWbiONqM
^ this is that orchestra sound pre-storch .. even on the break down of the beat during the ballroom dance scene
its ok man.. i get he’s your idol and this might be really crushing your whole perspective of who he is…. but it’s not a mistake that timbaland called him the piano man. that’s exactly what he is, and there’s honestly no shame in that.
btw, timbaland as a producer is also lightyears ahead of storch .. but that’s another story
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I agree. You can see it first-hand with the joints that Scott produced afterward without Dre. Take Jadakiss - Time's Up, for example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trOK7wx8GDo
It has piano keys that only assist the overall production. They do not hit hard. Dre is responsible for making Scott's piano lines stand out and grab our attention.
This is a banger but you're absolutely right, everyone can hear the difference Dre's input has.
Another example
https://www.youtube.com/v/tDkmhZIQ9jo&ab_channel=TheGameVEVO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDkmhZIQ9jo&ab_channel=TheGameVEVO)
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This is a banger but you're absolutely right, everyone can hear the difference Dre's input has.
Another example
https://www.youtube.com/v/tDkmhZIQ9jo&ab_channel=TheGameVEVO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDkmhZIQ9jo&ab_channel=TheGameVEVO)
yup .. and beyond the lower level of production in comparison to dre, we can see how it’s indeed a dre imitation when we listen to a beat like been there done that (orchestra driven) .. or california love (piano driven) both done well before storch was in the mix
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It was MEL MAN. We all miss MEL MAN.
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it has nothing to do wit me being a hater… these are not facts because i say so .. they’re facts because they’re facts
storch has TWO writing credits on 2001 .. and ZERO production credits …. but u insist on crediting him for the sound on the entire album …. it’s embarrassing levels of groupieism to be quite honest .. storch himself would laugh at how much you’re on his dick
and i said it before, i’m a big storch fan
but this is the 2001 sound:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Se3rmMdsun4
mel man
the beat for X came from a Tim n Bob beat .. again, string/orchestra/violin style compositions were being done by dre well before storch came along
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c80dWbiONqM
^ this is that orchestra sound pre-storch .. even on the break down of the beat during the ballroom dance scene
its ok man.. i get he’s your idol and this might be really crushing your whole perspective of who he is…. but it’s not a mistake that timbaland called him the piano man. that’s exactly what he is, and there’s honestly no shame in that.
btw, timbaland as a producer is also lightyears ahead of storch .. but that’s another story
Mel man is producer of whole album but he doesnt get credit for writing in all songs. So you mean he is not involved in those? i know scott credited as songwriter in only 2 songs but he is involved in 7 songs. why do you think bud'da is not credited for drum programming on forget about dre, how bout glove didnt get any credit for xplosive? you just see what you want to see when it comes to what you want to believe and force people o believe. i dont agree at all and i prove you the facts with examples, i asked you a few questions but you didnt even answer one of it, you are claiming me to suck scott's dick but you are jumping from dre's dick to timbo's dick to approve yourself.
i agree timbaland as a producer is also ahead of storch. pharrel too.
you are still doing the same shit consciously bro, u are saying things i havent said, you say again " u insist on crediting him for the sound on the entire album"... this is not a good way to discuss, thats childish, sorry.
i never said that, you are keep doing the same shit, thats annoying. i said he was the missing key for dre's production team, he just made it complete and better with his contribution.
nobody said nobody used strings in rap music before also :D thats funny you are bringing beats made my strings. sure they had. the way scott combines piano and strings is his signature.
yeah i love scott, i love camara kambon, mel-man, bud'da, mike elizondo, ron feemster..
stop taking it personal, everybody is free to say what he thinks. i guess we both said enough, lets end this pointless discussion and let other members share their opinions.
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Mel man is producer of whole album but he doesnt get credit for writing in all songs. So you mean he is not involved in those? i know scott credited as songwriter in only 2 songs but he is involved in 7 songs. why do you think bud'da is not credited for drum programming on forget about dre, how bout glove didnt get any credit for xplosive? you just see what you want to see when it comes to what you want to believe and force people o believe. i dont agree at all and i prove you the facts with examples, i asked you a few questions but you didnt even answer one of it, you are claiming me to suck scott's dick but you are jumping from dre's dick to timbo's dick to approve yourself.
i agree timbaland as a producer is also ahead of storch. pharrel too.
you are still doing the same shit consciously bro, u are saying things i havent said, you say again " u insist on crediting him for the sound on the entire album"... this is not a good way to discuss, thats childish, sorry.
i never said that, you are keep doing the same shit, thats annoying. i said he was the missing key for dre's production team, he just made it complete and better with his contribution.
nobody said nobody used strings in rap music before also :D thats funny you are bringing beats made my strings. sure they had. the way scott combines piano and strings is his signature.
yeah i love scott, i love camara kambon, mel-man, bud'da, mike elizondo, ron feemster..
stop taking it personal, everybody is free to say what he thinks. i guess we both said enough, lets end this pointless discussion and let other members share their opinions.
who said anything about taking it personal? just being honest dude … u say things and then u take it back like we can’t just go back and read your posts
this is what started all this
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scott storch is the most important part of 2001.
and yes, writing credits on a beat means you’re part of the creative process. so glove programing the drums on xxplosives doesn’t constitute a writing credit, because drum programming and writing music is 2 different things.
that’s why storch only has 2 writing credits on 2001.. because those are the 2 songs where he was involved in the CREATIVE process as opposed to just playing what he’s instructed to play (aka session player)
and what i’m explaining to you is not that other producers used strings before storch lolllll .. but rather that dre was already making beats that had those signature sounds, and that the beats on 2001 were simply an evolution of the dre sound we heard 1995-1998 .... it’s not like storch came along and brought a whole new style. this is where i had to correct you.
and if u don’t believe me.. then that’s on you. but i’m only speaking facts.
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It was MEL MAN. We all miss MEL MAN.
To be fair even Mel Man can't hit that Dre sound
https://www.youtube.com/v/0AuGxE5MfVA&ab_channel=VIISign (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AuGxE5MfVA&ab_channel=VIISign)
The key difference here is DRE to making everything sound next level. None of these guys can make anything like the music they make with him without him, even the good tunes they make just don't slap the same
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2001 sound you can hear it on no limit top dogg. That is where it started.
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it has nothing to do wit me being a hater… these are not facts because i say so .. they’re facts because they’re facts
storch has TWO writing credits on 2001 .. and ZERO production credits …. but u insist on crediting him for the sound on the entire album …. it’s embarrassing levels of groupieism to be quite honest .. storch himself would laugh at how much you’re on his dick
and i said it before, i’m a big storch fan
but this is the 2001 sound:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Se3rmMdsun4
mel man
the beat for X came from a Tim n Bob beat .. again, string/orchestra/violin style compositions were being done by dre well before storch came along
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c80dWbiONqM
^ this is that orchestra sound pre-storch .. even on the break down of the beat during the ballroom dance scene
its ok man.. i get he’s your idol and this might be really crushing your whole perspective of who he is…. but it’s not a mistake that timbaland called him the piano man. that’s exactly what he is, and there’s honestly no shame in that.
btw, timbaland as a producer is also lightyears ahead of storch .. but that’s another story
I agree with everything this brother said... respectfully
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Thhese days i was bumping a lot of snoops albums, and you can here when dre doing mixing. Doggystle dre mixing amazing, doggfather, game to be sold not not that good, than again no limit top dogg, the last meal Dre mixing amazing, then bunch albums and then you got it blue carpet dre mixing. If you aint deaf you can hear a difference in sound.
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JR Rotem was another one that had 2001esque beats for a while I remember around that era. Not sure if he worked on 2001 though but I remember he did the Busta We up to no good beat with Dre and had a lot of Dre sounding stuff before going more pop
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Forgot Storch also did co-production on “Lay Low”. That song has had a resurgence over the years because Whitney Houston quoted it at an award show and only over the last several years that catchphrase from Nate has become huge. Almost as big as “Hold up.. wait !!!”
Mainstream fans, women, kids using that phrase. The song was successful when it dropped and the album as well but that track has developed a cult following and grown of the years. Snoop would’ve been like 3X to 4X platinum with the last meal if that shit had took off like it eventually did. I bet he gets hella streams on that.
And it’s not just the great keys by Scott or the catchphrase by Nate—the whole damn song is damn near a catchphrase!! Listen to every lyric of that track and it’s some shit a person might just say to fit a moment.
“Ooyaka Booyaka!!”
“It ain’t nothin but loot”
“I don’t go to clubs I neva chase a bitch”
“Don’t sag too hard you show everyone ya thong”
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Forgot Storch also did co-production on “Lay Low”. That song has had a resurgence over the years because Whitney Houston quoted it at an award show and only over the last several years that catchphrase from Nate has become huge. Almost as big as “Hold up.. wait !!!”
Mainstream fans, women, kids using that phrase. The song was successful when it dropped and the album as well but that track has developed a cult following and grown of the years. Snoop would’ve been like 3X to 4X platinum with the last meal if that shit had took off like it eventually did. I bet he gets hella streams on that.
And it’s not just the great keys by Scott or the catchphrase by Nate—the whole damn song is damn near a catchphrase!! Listen to every lyric of that track and it’s some shit a person might just say to fit a moment.
“Ooyaka Booyaka!!”
“It ain’t nothin but loot”
“I don’t go to clubs I neva chase a bitch”
“Don’t sag too hard you show everyone ya thong”
lay low wasnt scott storch lol … it was mike elizando
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lay low wasnt scott storch lol … it was mike elizando
wasn't most of that album Elizondo? Storch did no more than a 2 or 3 tracks I believe
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Forgot Storch also did co-production on “Lay Low”. That song has had a resurgence over the years because Whitney Houston quoted it at an award show and only over the last several years that catchphrase from Nate has become huge. Almost as big as “Hold up.. wait !!!”
Mainstream fans, women, kids using that phrase. The song was successful when it dropped and the album as well but that track has developed a cult following and grown of the years. Snoop would’ve been like 3X to 4X platinum with the last meal if that shit had took off like it eventually did. I bet he gets hella streams on that.
And it’s not just the great keys by Scott or the catchphrase by Nate—the whole damn song is damn near a catchphrase!! Listen to every lyric of that track and it’s some shit a person might just say to fit a moment.
“Ooyaka Booyaka!!”
“It ain’t nothin but loot”
“I don’t go to clubs I neva chase a bitch”
“Don’t sag too hard you show everyone ya thong”
I promise you Whitney Houston had never even heard of the song. Lay low as a term was around before that song bro lol
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I promise you Whitney Houston had never even heard of the song. Lay low as a term was around before that song bro lol
lmaoooooo
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wasn't most of that album Elizondo? Storch did no more than a 2 or 3 tracks I believe
yea, but don’t tell cey cey .. he’s guna fuck u up
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JR Rotem was another one that had 2001esque beats for a while I remember around that era. Not sure if he worked on 2001 though but I remember he did the Busta We up to no good beat with Dre and had a lot of Dre sounding stuff before going more pop
Saw this that seems quite recent.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NUn25xcsYz8?si=LA4_ry4qkVLI_sEc
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yea, but don’t tell cey cey .. he’s guna fuck u up
He better lay low 😅😅
Scott is not credited for lay low but he claimed he has fingerprints on that famous piano loop by playing it live around. When it comes to dre it's hard to be sure about real credits.
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JR Rotem was another one that had 2001esque beats for a while I remember around that era. Not sure if he worked on 2001 though but I remember he did the Busta We up to no good beat with Dre and had a lot of Dre sounding stuff before going more pop
Naah JR was not around in 2001 era. Dr. Dre and jr met while dre was working on detox. Dre heard a track JR did for Spit Vishiss and asked that beat for his next solo project Detox. Then they started to work together. I mean they never did a production together but JR was making beats for aftermath and shady records artists around that time. He had a succesful.run for 2 or 3 years in hip hop industry.
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He better lay low 😅😅
Scott is not credited for lay low but he claimed he has fingerprints on that famous piano loop by playing it live around. When it comes to dre it's hard to be sure about real credits.
of course he would say that
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I promise you Whitney Houston had never even heard of the song. Lay low as a term was around before that song bro lol
Have you seen the clip of Whitney? She says it in the exact key, tone, rhythm—exact copy of Nate… she says, “Youuuu betta Lay Low!” Who else said it like that before Nate? I mean, it’s possible Nate picked up the catchphrase from others and it was around before. I agree, “Lay Low” has been around a long time.. but the way he spits the entire phrase… You betta Lay Low
And Scott did those signature keys on “Lay Low”. Maybe it’s uncredited but those keys I the key to the production on the track. He plays it whenever he does medleys of his classics. I’m 99% certain Scott did those signature keys.
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Have you seen the clip of Whitney? She says it in the exact key, tone, rhythm—exact copy of Nate… she says, “Youuuu betta Lay Low!” Who else said it like that before Nate? I mean, it’s possible Nate picked up the catchphrase from others and it was around before. I agree, “Lay Low” has been around a long time.. but the way he spits the entire phrase… You betta Lay Low
And Scott did those signature keys on “Lay Low”. Maybe it’s uncredited but those keys I the key to the production on the track. He plays it whenever he does medleys of his classics. I’m 99% certain Scott did those signature keys.
yea, but don’t tell Sccit .. he’s guna fuck u up ;D
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yea, but don’t tell Sccit .. he’s guna fuck u up ;D
you better lay low
:ray:
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you better lay low
:ray:
What you got against Scott Storch? Hes the fuckin man
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What you got against Scott Storch? Hes the fuckin man
absolutely nothing .. scott storch is an excellent musician .. and he just had a great interview with joe rogan that u should peep .. but still, it’s just factually wrong to credit him with creating the sound for 2001 lol
and a lot of people wrongfully do this .. a lot of times to undermine dre, but in this case it’s also to undermine mel-man, who was second in command on 2001 and had the most influence on dre’s sound during that era
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absolutely nothing .. scott storch is an excellent musician .. and he just had a great interview with joe rogan that u should peep .. but still, it’s just factually wrong to credit him with creating the sound for 2001 lol
and a lot of people wrongfully do this .. a lot of times to undermine dre, but in this case it’s also to undermine mel-man, who was second in command on 2001 and had the most influence on dre’s sound during that era
Yeah man it happens every time — the music just ain’t the same when Dre’s not around.
Whether it’s Mel-Man or Scott — Dre is the one that had to be there to make it happen. And once Dre had Eminem I think that album was destined to succeed. Then all the stars just start aligning I mean look Scott even came in and right away did keys on “Just the Two of Us” to update the track for the LP
I get where you are coming from you just don’t want them takin credit from Dre and Mel Man
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Yeah man it happens every time — the music just ain’t the same when Dre’s not around.
Whether it’s Mel-Man or Scott — Dre is the one that had to be there to make it happen. And once Dre had Eminem I think that album was destined to succeed. Then all the stars just start aligning I mean look Scott even came in and right away did keys on “Just the Two of Us” to update the track for the LP
I get where you are coming from you just don’t want them takin credit from Dre and Mel Man
bass brothers said scott was making that up
but yea, i definitely don’t like the whole “dre is using ghost producers!” narrative, because that’s the farthest thing from the truth
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I'm interested to know what really inspired the thread in the 1st place
did Scott claim he was responsible for the success or sound of 2001?
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I'm interested to know what really inspired the thread in the 1st place
did Scott claim he was responsible for the success or sound of 2001?
never.. it was insinuated on this forum, which had to be corrected
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https://www.instagram.com/p/DEk32l8Sj1h/?img_index=6&igsh=NTl3cTFrdTBwem51
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https://www.instagram.com/p/DEk32l8Sj1h/?img_index=6&igsh=NTl3cTFrdTBwem51
they still claimin be produced still dre?
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2001 isn't just Storch, it isn't just Dre, it's a combination of several people - Mike Elizondo, Kambon, Mel Man, Dre, Storch and a lot of other people - even down to the writers like Em & Jay, as well as many other 'uncredited' artists who do concept tracks to bring a project like that together.
It's always been that way. Chronic had a big collaborative team - Colin Wolfe, Chris Taylor, Warren G, even Daz and others.
Even right before Dre left DR, a lot of his Helta Skelta sound can be attributed to the likes of Sam Sneed.
Quik is the same, but I'd still rate Quik over Dre - obviously not for commercial success, but just for the consistency, and less forgettable material over the years. I liked Compton, but a large part of me believes Dre is way past his prime. Quik I feel still has ore of that ability to put out great music, but due to his lack of commercial backing, he does tend to be a bit more experimental in pursuit of capturing new ears, but when you don't have a big machine behind you, it's more of a requirement to get the music spread further
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2001 isn't just Storch, it isn't just Dre, it's a combination of several people - Mike Elizondo, Kambon, Mel Man, Dre, Storch and a lot of other people - even down to the writers like Em & Jay, as well as many other 'uncredited' artists who do concept tracks to bring a project like that together.
It's always been that way. Chronic had a big collaborative team - Colin Wolfe, Chris Taylor, Warren G, even Daz and others.
Even right before Dre left DR, a lot of his Helta Skelta sound can be attributed to the likes of Sam Sneed.
Quik is the same, but I'd still rate Quik over Dre - obviously not for commercial success, but just for the consistency, and less forgettable material over the years. I liked Compton, but a large part of me believes Dre is way past his prime. Quik I feel still has ore of that ability to put out great music, but due to his lack of commercial backing, he does tend to be a bit more experimental in pursuit of capturing new ears, but when you don't have a big machine behind you, it's more of a requirement to get the music spread further
definitely took a full team ….. but dre is the head of that team. the orchestrator… the conductor… the coach. All in one.
same wit quik having bacon, g-one, stan etc.
not sure if quik fell off, but his latest effort wit problem wasn’t up to his standard.