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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite on July 03, 2025, 12:34:54 PM
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Like Higheyecue knows I’m always fascinated with that forgotten period in West Coast Rap that started with Doggfather flop (I know everyone defends it now but those know who remember its release date) and then ended with “Bitch Please” being released as a single/video for Top Dogg
So let’s say the period from fall 1996 until Spring 1999 — this was the era in West Coast Rap of…
—being trolled for 2 years about a King Tee album that never happened
—Aftermath Presents
—a subpar substandard Gang Related and Gridlocked soundtracks
—Daz heroic RRGB that didn’t even go gold
—Bad Azz solo
—Snoop No Limit
List goes on and on I have to keep adding to the post… but for this thread I’m gonna list all the things wrong with Kuruption album.
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First I wanna start with the track “No Feelings”. You guys remember when they would put in bold letters the featured tracks on an album usually on the packaging of the cd 💿 they actually had “No Feelings” listed as a feature track.
The beat is dope, especially the way it switches up, almost like 2 beats mashed into 1, but blended perfectly—but it sounds like a beat Kurupt just bought and recorded over because it’s not fully produced, it’s missing a proper mixdown and outro, they just let the beat play unnecessarily for like a minute as a standalone instrumental—very sloppy. And some of the lyrics are just atrocious. Kurupt’s voice sounds good on the track but the lyrics are very generic, and the guest artists on the track sound amateur, look at these lyrics…
“I'm pregnant but only in my mind
Hopin my baby rhyme grows to be a triple platinum album”
“Burn out my PlayStation while cats be Scarfacin”
^^what the hell is that line supposed to mean? While other cats be out doing dirt he’s playing PlayStation? And that means he’s got “No Feelings”??
That shit is wack as hell
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Kuruption is far more disappointing than doggfather.
My favorite track is It's a Set Up and that is a 10/10 song imo. C-Walk and We can freak it are also really good. The Warren G produced track is good. Ho's a housewife is a let down for a Dre song imo.
Other than that it is a forgettable album for me.
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Kuruption is far more disappointing than doggfather.
My favorite track is It's a Set Up and that is a 10/10 song imo. C-Walk and We can freak it are also really good. The Warren G produced track is good. Ho's a housewife is a let down for a Dre song imo.
Other than that it is a forgettable album for me.
The album has some good moments—“Put that on Something” is a banger people never talk about—but I’m making this thread about all the things wrong.
So what all do you think is wrong with the album?
I thought “The Set Up” was a bit lazy and underproduced, sounds like a dope beat they just bought and then rapped over and didn’t spend time analyzing all the elements like Dre would like intro/outro, effects, making sure lyrics are done over if they aren’t flawless
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The album has some good moments—“Put that on Something” is a banger people never talk about—but I’m making this thread about all the things wrong.
So what all do you think is wrong with the album?
I thought “The Set Up” was a bit lazy and underproduced, sounds like a dope beat they just bought and then rapped over and didn’t spend time analyzing all the elements like Dre would like intro/outro, effects, making sure lyrics are done over if they aren’t flawless
The biggest thing wrong with it is production. It is far different than anything we heard kurupt on w/ death row. Next, kurupt fell off big time on this album. He is no where near the kurupt on dogg food. There is more wrong, but those 2 things right there are so big that nothing else could save it.
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Like Higheyecue knows I’m always fascinated with that forgotten period in West Coast Rap that started with Doggfather flop (I know everyone defends it now but those know who remember its release date) and then ended with “Bitch Please” being released as a single/video for Top Dogg
So let’s say the period from fall 1996 until Spring 1999 — this was the era in West Coast Rap of…
—being trolled for 2 years about a King Tee album that never happened
—Aftermath Presents
—a subpar substandard Gang Related and Gridlocked soundtracks
—Daz heroic RRGB that didn’t even go gold
—Bad Azz solo
—Snoop No Limit
List goes on and on I have to keep adding to the post… but for this thread I’m gonna list all the things wrong with Kuruption album.
I have a love/hate relationship with this album lol
there are elements I love
1. the Warren G track that you mentioned in the other post is one of my favorite tracks by Kurupt and I love the piano keys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVEtPZfRDUY&list=RDUVEtPZfRDUY&start_radio=1
2. Kurupt sounds almost like the Death Row Kurupt on a handful of tracks, "Thats Gangsta", "Fresh", "The Life" and a couple more
3. the 2 beats by Daz are classic and so are the ones by Battlecat
now the bad
1.Kurupt just freestyling over a lot of the tracks. This album is where the inconsistency started that has pretty much lasted the remaining years of his career
2.you mentioned "No Feelings" another one that is a head scratcher was "Gimmewhatcugot" featuring some no name Barshawn. Kurupt just freestyling over
the beat which is nothing to write home about either but the crazy thing was that this was released as the 2nd single
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoSNpjDIpzE&list=RDxoSNpjDIpzE&start_radio=1
3.Maybe one of the wackest tracks of all time "I Wanna" which is a shame because the beat by Devante bangs but the lyrics are so cringe worthy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opBL2bhgRYE&list=RDopBL2bhgRYE&start_radio=1
there's more things I want to say about the album but Ill add them at a later time
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actually the west coast disc is great
he's not lyrically at his peak but still was makin dope gangsta shit
the east coast disc is what's wrong wut kuruption.. coulda kept it at just the west coast disc n it woulda been a much more respectable debut
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actually the west coast disc is great
he's not lyrically at his peak but still was makin dope gangsta shit
the east coast disc is what's wrong wut kuruption.. coulda kept it at just the west coast disc n it woulda been a much more respectable debut
yeah he should have listened to Dre when he told him to keep it at one disc
but the double album trend that Pac started with AEOM everyone tried to emulate...Biggie, Wu, Bone Thugs, Kurupt and even Nas who was scheduled to come out with an "I Am" 2CD before it got bootlegged
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I have a love/hate relationship with this album lol
there are elements I love
1. the Warren G track that you mentioned in the other post is one of my favorite tracks by Kurupt and I love the piano keys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVEtPZfRDUY&list=RDUVEtPZfRDUY&start_radio=1
2. Kurupt sounds almost like the Death Row Kurupt on a handful of tracks, "Thats Gangsta", "Fresh", "The Life" and a couple more
3. the 2 beats by Daz are classic and so are the ones by Battlecat
now the bad
1.Kurupt just freestyling over a lot of the tracks. This album is where the inconsistency started that has pretty much lasted the remaining years of his career
2.you mentioned "No Feelings" another one that is a head scratcher was "Gimmewhatcugot" featuring some no name Barshawn. Kurupt just freestyling over
the beat which is nothing to write home about either but the crazy thing was that this was released as the 2nd single
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoSNpjDIpzE&list=RDxoSNpjDIpzE&start_radio=1
3.Maybe one of the wackest tracks of all time "I Wanna" which is a shame because the beat by Devante bangs but the lyrics are so cringe worthy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opBL2bhgRYE&list=RDopBL2bhgRYE&start_radio=1
there's more things I want to say about the album but Ill add them at a later time
Yeah the Warren G track is dope, as I said this album definitely had its moments—it was just sloppy and inconsistent because Suge wasn’t around to put his foot in someone’s ass or slap Kurupt and tell him get back in the booth or Dre to mix that shit down and cut out all the fat, and threaten to delay the album till it’s done right. It’s like everything got approved and greenlit
Agreed—
—lol@ them thinking “Gimme What You Got” was a second single, that track doesn’t even deserve to be on an album
—“I Wanna” is aweful and unlistenable
To add more:
—It also made the album look sloppy when the 3rd single—which was the flawless Dre banger “Ask Yourself” got turned in late and didn’t even make the album track listing it had to be added onto the wrapping of the package as like a bonus 12th track.
—then the Dre video was supposed to be a mini-movie but that never came out other than the music video which was weird but still anything was dope seeing Kurupt and Dre together, that song is a personal classic for me
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you are right about "Ask Yourself A Question" the track was a banger 8)
should have been the 2nd single though, maybe it would've blown up more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2zauZHuz1k&list=RDs2zauZHuz1k&start_radio=1
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Nobody gonna give love to “Put That On Something”?? That’s an all original track that doesn’t sound like anything else before or after it
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Nobody gonna give love to “Put That On Something”?? That’s an all original track that doesn’t sound like anything else before or after it
I liked it...Devante did that one as well 8)
combine maybe 10 of the 12 West Coast tracks with maybe 3-5 on the East Disc and you have a very solid album
East Coast tracks I would keep for sure
Game - dope beat and Kurupt is flowing effortlessly
The Life - might be the best track on the East disc...El-Drex and Kurupt trading rhymes over a smooth beat
We Can Freak It Out - just the fact that Nore is on it and to have both of them on the track after the NY NY/LA LA beef was dope
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Y'all comments got me to re-listen to the West coast disk. The album sucks save a few songs. This was dropped in the golden age of rap...way worse than doggfather. Kurupt is terrible on most of the songs.
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Biggest thing i remember about that album was how Kurupt was trying to rebrand himself. We all knew him from being DPGC and wearing blue and grey and Death Row and all that stuff. Then this album comes out and he's dressed like a 40's era gangster. No repping DPG anywhere on the album cover. I know Suge had the majority of DPG locked under contract and wouldn't let them appear on his album, but the lack of any sort of big Westcoast names other than Dre hurt him. He could've got Warren, some of the LBC Crew, Crooked I, DOC, RBX, Butch Cassidy, etc, some of the other DPG affiliates who weren't under Death Row contract on the album. He was really repping Philly hard on this, trying to be more eastcoast, and the hardcore fans knew he was from Philly, but the casual fans knew him as a West Coast rapper. It was a big change that most people didn't like. Of course, he switched and went back to his roots on Streetz Iz A Mutha and you saw how that album blew up. When DAZ left Death Row, he came out with RAW, which was basically the same old Daz, working with the same people, didn't change anything, and it worked well. Kurupt should've done that too.
AND, the worst part is ASK YOURSELF A QUESTION feat Dre was a last minute addition. It wasn't even on the tracklist but just a sticker on the album cover, and not every album had the sticker, so he couldn't use Dre's name to help sell records, which was a big deal at the time. I really think Kurupt was trying to get under Dre's team and become part of that and Dre was on that whole "Gangster Rap is Dead" era so Kurupt was trying to go that route. But just like Dre ended up doing, he went back to gangster rap. I think both Dre and Kurupt would've continued down the 'non gangster rap' line had it worked for them.
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Biggest thing i remember about that album was how Kurupt was trying to rebrand himself. We all knew him from being DPGC and wearing blue and grey and Death Row and all that stuff. Then this album comes out and he's dressed like a 40's era gangster. No repping DPG anywhere on the album cover. I know Suge had the majority of DPG locked under contract and wouldn't let them appear on his album, but the lack of any sort of big Westcoast names other than Dre hurt him. He could've got Warren, some of the LBC Crew, Crooked I, DOC, RBX, Butch Cassidy, etc, some of the other DPG affiliates who weren't under Death Row contract on the album. He was really repping Philly hard on this, trying to be more eastcoast, and the hardcore fans knew he was from Philly, but the casual fans knew him as a West Coast rapper. It was a big change that most people didn't like. Of course, he switched and went back to his roots on Streetz Iz A Mutha and you saw how that album blew up. When DAZ left Death Row, he came out with RAW, which was basically the same old Daz, working with the same people, didn't change anything, and it worked well. Kurupt should've done that too.
AND, the worst part is ASK YOURSELF A QUESTION feat Dre was a last minute addition. It wasn't even on the tracklist but just a sticker on the album cover, and not every album had the sticker, so he couldn't use Dre's name to help sell records, which was a big deal at the time. I really think Kurupt was trying to get under Dre's team and become part of that and Dre was on that whole "Gangster Rap is Dead" era so Kurupt was trying to go that route. But just like Dre ended up doing, he went back to gangster rap. I think both Dre and Kurupt would've continued down the 'non gangster rap' line had it worked for them.
what??
:lulz:
kuruption was fulla west coast gangsta shit
c-walk was a crip anthem and featured tray deee and slip capone
fresh featuring daz was classic dpg shit
can't let that slide wit roscoe, another dpg track
that's gangsta was produced by warren g.. and clearly indicates he wasn't stepping away from the gangsta image lol
i think u need to revisit that album
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what????
:lulz:
kurupt was fulla west coast gangsta shit
c-walk was a crip anthem and featured tray deee and slip capone
fresh featuring daz was classic dpg shit
can't let that slide wit roscoe, another dpg track
that's gangsta was produced by warren g.. and clearly indicates he wasn't stepping away from the gangsta image lol
i think u need to revisit that album
I'm talking about the marketing of the album and his image. Look at the cover of Streets and the cover of Kuruption and you tell me which is a better representation of the Kurupt we know.
lol, just because a song is called 'that's gangsta' doesn't mean it's a gangsta song. Yes Warren G produced it, should've dropped a verse. Daz was barely on FRESH and it was a remixed leftover from their Death Row days, i have the OG. Daz is not really a feature, he barely squeaked that through Suge, but i give kurupt a pass for that because Suge wasn't clearing anyone for his album, i'm sure Kurupt tried. I'll give you that I forgot Tray Deee was on the album, that's one, you got me on that point. Roscoe was far from a household name back then, no one knew who he was. So out of a 2 disc album of what, 20 some songs he had maybe two verses from a DPG affiliate?? That seems intentional to me.
It's obvious he was getting away from the DPG Kurupt persona. He was going full on ANTRA Executive mode.
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I'm talking about the marketing of the album and his image. Look at the cover of Streets and the cover of Kuruption and you tell me which is a better representation of the Kurupt we know.
lol, just because a song is called 'that's gangsta' doesn't mean it's a gangsta song. Yes Warren G produced it, should've dropped a verse. Daz was barely on FRESH and it was a remixed leftover from their Death Row days, i have the OG. Daz is not really a feature, he barely squeaked that through Suge, but i give kurupt a pass for that because Suge wasn't clearing anyone for his album, i'm sure Kurupt tried. I'll give you that I forgot Tray Deee was on the album, that's one, you got me on that point. Roscoe was far from a household name back then, no one knew who he was. So out of a 2 disc album of what, 20 some songs he had maybe two verses from a DPG affiliate?? That seems intentional to me.
It's obvious he was getting away from the DPG Kurupt persona. He was going full on ANTRA Executive mode.
i get that he was leaning into to the mafioso boss image that was popular at the time
but in no way was pulling a dre and tryna step away from gangsta rap like u said
c-walk alone is arguably considered the biggest crip anthem in hip-hop history
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I'm talking about the marketing of the album and his image. Look at the cover of Streets and the cover of Kuruption and you tell me which is a better representation of the Kurupt we know.
lol, just because a song is called 'that's gangsta' doesn't mean it's a gangsta song. Yes Warren G produced it, should've dropped a verse. Daz was barely on FRESH and it was a remixed leftover from their Death Row days, i have the OG. Daz is not really a feature, he barely squeaked that through Suge, but i give kurupt a pass for that because Suge wasn't clearing anyone for his album, i'm sure Kurupt tried. I'll give you that I forgot Tray Deee was on the album, that's one, you got me on that point. Roscoe was far from a household name back then, no one knew who he was. So out of a 2 disc album of what, 20 some songs he had maybe two verses from a DPG affiliate?? That seems intentional to me.
It's obvious he was getting away from the DPG Kurupt persona. He was going full on ANTRA Executive mode.
i get that he was leaning into to the mafioso boss image that was popular at the time
but in no way was pulling a dre and tryna step away from gangsta rap like u said
c-walk alone is arguably considered the biggest crip anthem in hip-hop history
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Y'all comments got me to re-listen to the West coast disk. The album sucks save a few songs. This was dropped in the golden age of rap...way worse than doggfather. Kurupt is terrible on most of the songs.
That’s a good comp to say Kuruption vs. Doggfather
..they are similar in that they were both letdowns coming off of Classics (Doggystyle) (Doggfood) and both were presumed to be in their prime—but we found out they weren’t, lol
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Y'all comments got me to re-listen to the West coast disk. The album sucks save a few songs. This was dropped in the golden age of rap...way worse than doggfather. Kurupt is terrible on most of the songs.
That’s a good comp to say Kuruption vs. Doggfather
..they are similar in that they were both letdowns coming off of Classics (Doggystyle) (Doggfood) and both were presumed to be in their prime—but we found out they weren’t, lol
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Y'all comments got me to re-listen to the West coast disk. The album sucks save a few songs. This was dropped in the golden age of rap...way worse than doggfather. Kurupt is terrible on most of the songs.
That’s a good comp Doggfather vs Kuruption
…they are both similar in that both artists were presumed to still be in their prime; until we found out they weren’t, lol
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Y'all comments got me to re-listen to the West coast disk. The album sucks save a few songs. This was dropped in the golden age of rap...way worse than doggfather. Kurupt is terrible on most of the songs.
That’s a good comp Doggfather vs Kuruption
…they are both similar in that both artists were presumed to still be in their prime; until we found out they weren’t, lol
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the Fresh on "Kuruption!" might be my favorite song on the album...a vintage Death Row type track
the OG was a little lacking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PesOnYU922k&list=RDPesOnYU922k&start_radio=1
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the version of "Fresh" on the album > the OG unreleased version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PesOnYU922k&list=RDPesOnYU922k&start_radio=1
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^^ agreed
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I'm talking about the marketing of the album and his image. Look at the cover of Streets and the cover of Kuruption and you tell me which is a better representation of the Kurupt we know.
lol, just because a song is called 'that's gangsta' doesn't mean it's a gangsta song. Yes Warren G produced it, should've dropped a verse. Daz was barely on FRESH and it was a remixed leftover from their Death Row days, i have the OG. Daz is not really a feature, he barely squeaked that through Suge, but i give kurupt a pass for that because Suge wasn't clearing anyone for his album, i'm sure Kurupt tried. I'll give you that I forgot Tray Deee was on the album, that's one, you got me on that point. Roscoe was far from a household name back then, no one knew who he was. So out of a 2 disc album of what, 20 some songs he had maybe two verses from a DPG affiliate?? That seems intentional to me.
It's obvious he was getting away from the DPG Kurupt persona. He was going full on ANTRA Executive mode.
i get that he was leaning into to the mafioso boss image that was popular at the time
but in no way was pulling a dre and tryna step away from gangsta rap like u said
c-walk alone is arguably considered the biggest crip anthem in hip-hop history
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the "Fresh" on "Kuruption!" > the OG unreleased version
it has that classic Death Row type sound 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D891z0_Zxuc&list=RDD891z0_Zxuc&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PesOnYU922k&list=RDPesOnYU922k&start_radio=1
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the "Fresh" on "Kuruption!" > the OG unreleased version
it has that classic Death Row type sound 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D891z0_Zxuc&list=RDD891z0_Zxuc&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PesOnYU922k&list=RDPesOnYU922k&start_radio=1
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the "Fresh" on the album > the OG unreleased version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D891z0_Zxuc&list=RDD891z0_Zxuc&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PesOnYU922k&list=RDPesOnYU922k&start_radio=1
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^^ agreed
the "Fresh" on the album > the OG unreleased version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09aEnQ-uPZQ&list=RD09aEnQ-uPZQ&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PesOnYU922k&list=RDPesOnYU922k&start_radio=1
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^^ agreed
the "Fresh" on the album > the OG unreleased version
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I don't get all the hate for the west disc, there's no skips and for me the weakest song is Ho's a Housewife.
Not sure how you can say it doesn't have a DPG/Death Row feel with features from Daz, Tray Dee, Roscoe, Slip Capone, Gonzoe and Dr. Dre plus production from Warren G, Daz, Soopafly, Battlecat and Dre, doesn't get much more DPG than that. Album came out in 98 which was a bit of a transition period for Death Row and DPG, Snoop was down at No Limit and RBX and Rage weren't really even on the scene around then.
My only gripe is the west disc could have been longer and the east disc wasn't really necessary.
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I don't get all the hate for the west disc, there's no skips and for me the weakest song is Ho's a Housewife.
Not sure how you can say it doesn't have a DPG/Death Row feel with features from Daz, Tray Dee, Roscoe, Slip Capone, Gonzoe and Dr. Dre plus production from Warren G, Daz, Soopafly, Battlecat and Dre, doesn't get much more DPG than that. Album came out in 98 which was a bit of a transition period for Death Row and DPG, Snoop was down at No Limit and RBX and Rage weren't really even on the scene around then.
My only gripe is the west disc could have been longer and the east disc wasn't really necessary.
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I don't get all the hate for the west disc, there's no skips and for me the weakest song is Ho's a Housewife.
Not sure how you can say it doesn't have a DPG/Death Row feel with features from Daz, Tray Dee, Roscoe, Slip Capone, Gonzoe and Dr. Dre plus production from Warren G, Daz, Soopafly, Battlecat and Dre, doesn't get much more DPG than that. Album came out in 98 which was a bit of a transition period for Death Row and DPG, Snoop was down at No Limit and RBX and Rage weren't really even on the scene around then.
My only gripe is the west disc could have been longer and the east disc wasn't really necessary.
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I don't get all the hate for the west disc, there's no skips and for me the weakest song is Ho's a Housewife.
Not sure how you can say it doesn't have a DPG/Death Row feel with features from Daz, Tray Dee, Roscoe, Slip Capone, Gonzoe and Dr. Dre plus production from Warren G, Daz, Soopafly, Battlecat and Dre, doesn't get much more DPG than that. Album came out in 98 which was a bit of a transition period for Death Row and DPG, Snoop was down at No Limit and RBX and Rage weren't really even on the scene around then.
My only gripe is the west disc could have been longer and the east disc wasn't really necessary.
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I don't get all the hate for the west disc, there's no skips and for me the weakest song is Ho's a Housewife.
Not sure how you can say it doesn't have a DPG/Death Row feel with features from Daz, Tray Dee, Roscoe, Slip Capone, Gonzoe and Dr. Dre plus production from Warren G, Daz, Soopafly, Battlecat and Dre, doesn't get much more DPG than that. Album came out in 98 which was a bit of a transition period for Death Row and DPG, Snoop was down at No Limit and RBX and Rage weren't really even on the scene around then.
My only gripe is the west disc could have been longer and the east disc wasn't really necessary.
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^^ agreed
the "Fresh" album version > the OG unreleased version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D891z0_Zxuc&list=RDD891z0_Zxuc&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PesOnYU922k&list=RDPesOnYU922k&start_radio=1
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I don't get all the hate for the west disc, there's no skips and for me the weakest song is Ho's a Housewife.
Not sure how you can say it doesn't have a DPG/Death Row feel with features from Daz, Tray Dee, Roscoe, Slip Capone, Gonzoe and Dr. Dre plus production from Warren G, Daz, Soopafly, Battlecat and Dre, doesn't get much more DPG than that. Album came out in 98 which was a bit of a transition period for Death Row and DPG, Snoop was down at No Limit and RBX and Rage weren't really even on the scene around then.
My only gripe is the west disc could have been longer and the east disc wasn't really necessary.
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I don't get all the hate for the west disc, there's no skips and for me the weakest song is Ho's a Housewife.
Not sure how you can say it doesn't have a DPG/Death Row feel with features from Daz, Tray Dee, Roscoe, Slip Capone, Gonzoe and Dr. Dre plus production from Warren G, Daz, Soopafly, Battlecat and Dre, doesn't get much more DPG than that. Album came out in 98 which was a bit of a transition period for Death Row and DPG, Snoop was down at No Limit and RBX and Rage weren't really even on the scene around then.
My only gripe is the west disc could have been longer and the east disc wasn't really necessary.
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the "Fresh" on the album > the OG with Soopa and Daz
it sounds like something that would fit in any previous classic Death Row album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D891z0_Zxuc&list=RDD891z0_Zxuc&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PesOnYU922k&list=RDPesOnYU922k&start_radio=1
I don't get all the hate for the west disc, there's no skips and for me the weakest song is Ho's a Housewife.
Not sure how you can say it doesn't have a DPG/Death Row feel with features from Daz, Tray Dee, Roscoe, Slip Capone, Gonzoe and Dr. Dre plus production from Warren G, Daz, Soopafly, Battlecat and Dre, doesn't get much more DPG than that. Album came out in 98 which was a bit of a transition period for Death Row and DPG, Snoop was down at No Limit and RBX and Rage weren't really even on the scene around then.
My only gripe is the west disc could have been longer and the east disc wasn't really necessary.
I feel the same way...the East Coast Disc is the problem
just add the 3 or so dope tracks on there to the West Coast Disc and you have a classic album on par with Streetz
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the "Fresh" on "Kuruption!" > the OG unreleased version
it has that classic Death Row type sound 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D891z0_Zxuc&list=RDD891z0_Zxuc&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PesOnYU922k&list=RDPesOnYU922k&start_radio=1
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That’s a good comp Doggfather vs Kuruption
…they are both similar in that both artists were presumed to still be in their prime; until we found out they weren’t, lol
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I'm talking about the marketing of the album and his image. Look at the cover of Streets and the cover of Kuruption and you tell me which is a better representation of the Kurupt we know.
lol, just because a song is called 'that's gangsta' doesn't mean it's a gangsta song. Yes Warren G produced it, should've dropped a verse. Daz was barely on FRESH and it was a remixed leftover from their Death Row days, i have the OG. Daz is not really a feature, he barely squeaked that through Suge, but i give kurupt a pass for that because Suge wasn't clearing anyone for his album, i'm sure Kurupt tried. I'll give you that I forgot Tray Deee was on the album, that's one, you got me on that point. Roscoe was far from a household name back then, no one knew who he was. So out of a 2 disc album of what, 20 some songs he had maybe two verses from a DPG affiliate?? That seems intentional to me.
It's obvious he was getting away from the DPG Kurupt persona. He was going full on ANTRA Executive mode.
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i get that he was leaning into to the mafioso boss image that was popular at the time
but in no way was pulling a dre and tryna step away from gangsta rap like u said
c-walk alone is arguably considered the biggest crip anthem in hip-hop history
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dubcc servers wildin
we lost lots of replies in here
i'll repost them 1 by 1:
yeah I noticed that
I must've tried to post the same message like in 5 different ways that night ;D
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yeah I noticed that
I must've tried to post the same message like in 5 different ways that night ;D
you did ..
i can see all of them
u ain't the only one tho
eddz and infinite have 5 or 6 re-attempts too lol
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C-Walk is one of the hardest tracks ever 8)
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C-Walk is one of the hardest tracks ever 8)
Hard to find much wrong wit that joint, no doubt
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C-Walk is one of the hardest tracks ever 8)
both “C-Walk” and “We Can Freak It” are classic west coast tracks
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both “C-Walk” and “We Can Freak It” are classic west coast tracks
Can’t argue with that.
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I liked it...Devante did that one as well 8)
combine maybe 10 of the 12 West Coast tracks with maybe 3-5 on the East Disc and you have a very solid album
East Coast tracks I would keep for sure
Game - dope beat and Kurupt is flowing effortlessly
The Life - might be the best track on the East disc...El-Drex and Kurupt trading rhymes over a smooth beat
We Can Freak It Out - just the fact that Nore is on it and to have both of them on the track after the NY NY/LA LA beef was dope
That's so dope man.. Jodeci and KC & JoJo are the only R&B artists that I can listen to their non-singles. I like R&B radio hits but I can't listen to artists album cuts or play albums front to back. Jodeci/KC&JoJo are the only exception.
...and how spectacular is that the crossover that Devante was able to produce two bangers like "No More Pain" for Pac and "Put that on Something" for Kurupt that don't sound like anything that has ever came before or after. "No More Pain" changed the game and "Put That On Something" these two tracks Devante deserves so much credit for.
I do vaguely remember hearing something about Timbaland being a ghost producer for Devante and before Timbaland got big Devante used to steal his sounds and the track "No More Pain" was mentioned. Obviously, I'm a way bigger Devante fan than Timbaland so I'm takin nothing away from Devante but I'm just mentioning because it's an interesting backstory, and Timbaland was of course a very innovative producer in his own right.
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Y'all comments got me to re-listen to the West coast disk. The album sucks save a few songs. This was dropped in the golden age of rap...way worse than doggfather. Kurupt is terrible on most of the songs.
That's a good comp Doggfather and Kuruption. I should maybe start my own thread comparing the two. Because both were presumed to still be in their prime—but sadly—we found out they weren't. Yet, both albums still hold a special place for us and had their moments.
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Biggest thing i remember about that album was how Kurupt was trying to rebrand himself. We all knew him from being DPGC and wearing blue and grey and Death Row and all that stuff. Then this album comes out and he's dressed like a 40's era gangster. No repping DPG anywhere on the album cover. I know Suge had the majority of DPG locked under contract and wouldn't let them appear on his album, but the lack of any sort of big Westcoast names other than Dre hurt him. He could've got Warren, some of the LBC Crew, Crooked I, DOC, RBX, Butch Cassidy, etc, some of the other DPG affiliates who weren't under Death Row contract on the album. He was really repping Philly hard on this, trying to be more eastcoast, and the hardcore fans knew he was from Philly, but the casual fans knew him as a West Coast rapper. It was a big change that most people didn't like. Of course, he switched and went back to his roots on Streetz Iz A Mutha and you saw how that album blew up. When DAZ left Death Row, he came out with RAW, which was basically the same old Daz, working with the same people, didn't change anything, and it worked well. Kurupt should've done that too.
AND, the worst part is ASK YOURSELF A QUESTION feat Dre was a last minute addition. It wasn't even on the tracklist but just a sticker on the album cover, and not every album had the sticker, so he couldn't use Dre's name to help sell records, which was a big deal at the time. I really think Kurupt was trying to get under Dre's team and become part of that and Dre was on that whole "Gangster Rap is Dead" era so Kurupt was trying to go that route. But just like Dre ended up doing, he went back to gangster rap. I think both Dre and Kurupt would've continued down the 'non gangster rap' line had it worked for them.
People are arguing you about this, but I understand exactly what you mean because we are the same age and we lived all this transition in real time.
Ofcouse, the West Coast disc did have it's bangers where Kurupt worked with the usual cast of characters—but I totally get what you mean about the change in image, compared to Dogg Food that came before, and then Streetz is a Mutha that came after.
I don't think there was anything wrong though with the image change. I thought it was dope as hell actually. In fact, a lot of the overall look and concept of the album was great, it was just done a bit sloppy. Like, remember those commercials they used to play on BET all the rhyme (time) hyping the album. It was kind of cool in a way, but lacked the Dre level of short, no excess, focused perfection like with the Dogg Food project.
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the version of "Fresh" on the album > the OG unreleased version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PesOnYU922k&list=RDPesOnYU922k&start_radio=1
You're right, and good find
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The East Coast Disc would have benefited if it included more of these type tracks
Kurupt and Phillys Ram Squad
beat reminds me of something Nas and AZ would spit over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlPPKshfZqs&list=RDJlPPKshfZqs&start_radio=1
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The East Coast Disc would have benefited if it included more of these type tracks
Kurupt and Phillys Ram Squad
beat reminds me of something Nas and AZ would spit over
Not sure about that ^ one,
but the East Coast track I thought Kurupt sounded good on was that Pete Rock joint was a banger back in the day with Inspectah Deck. It came out and was probably recording around the same rhyme (time), would've been dope if Pete Rock would've let him share that track because it would've greatly enhanced the East Coast disc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yme7RPJ8V3U&list=RDyme7RPJ8V3U&start_radio=1
Interesting Pete Rock mentions Trump in the song. Because years later, he was even one of the few rappers along with Lord Jammar and Busta that stood up against Coward-19 and other woke politics
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Not sure about that ^ one,
but the East Coast track I thought Kurupt sounded good on was that Pete Rock joint was a banger back in the day with Inspectah Deck. It came out and was probably recording around the same rhyme (time), would've been dope if Pete Rock would've let him share that track because it would've greatly enhanced the East Coast disc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yme7RPJ8V3U&list=RDyme7RPJ8V3U&start_radio=1
Interesting Pete Rock mentions Trump in the song. Because years later, he was even one of the few rappers along with Lord Jammar and Busta that stood up against Coward-19 and other woke politics
yeah Tru Master is a banger..."In hot pursuit of Donald Trump rap loot" was a dope line by Pete Rock
Deck set it off the whole track like only he can and Kurupt was dope as hell "Im the epicenter of this natural disaster, Im disastrous with stashes, cold and hot flashes"
there was also the "You Know My Steez" remix recorded the same year which to my knowledge is the only time Kurupt spit over a Premier beat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT_q4Y8N6ug&list=RDdT_q4Y8N6ug&start_radio=1
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yeah Tru Master is a banger..."In hot pursuit of Donald Trump rap loot" was a dope line by Pete Rock
Deck set it off the whole track like only he can and Kurupt was dope as hell "Im the epicenter of this natural disaster, Im disastrous with stashes, cold and hot flashes"
there was also the "You Know My Steez" remix recorded the same year which to my knowledge is the only time Kurupt spit over a Premier beat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT_q4Y8N6ug&list=RDdT_q4Y8N6ug&start_radio=1
Great post,
Yeah man, now you gonna get me off on a Gangstarr vibe tracks like that one and “Royalty”, “Mass Appeal, “Full Clip” are so clean, and you’re right it was around the same time so it’s not far out to conceive of a joint like that being on the East Coast disc but nothing comes close to this and “True Master”
Though I did love “The Life” and can still play it on repeat that’s my fav song on the East Coast disc by far
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People are arguing you about this, but I understand exactly what you mean because we are the same age and we lived all this transition in real time.
Ofcouse, the West Coast disc did have it's bangers where Kurupt worked with the usual cast of characters—but I totally get what you mean about the change in image, compared to Dogg Food that came before, and then Streetz is a Mutha that came after.
I don't think there was anything wrong though with the image change. I thought it was dope as hell actually. In fact, a lot of the overall look and concept of the album was great, it was just done a bit sloppy. Like, remember those commercials they used to play on BET all the rhyme (time) hyping the album. It was kind of cool in a way, but lacked the Dre level of short, no excess, focused perfection like with the Dogg Food project.
So true homie, you and I were there when these albums first dropped. I was sitting at Best Buy on new release Tuesday waiting to get this album, same with Doggfather. And this disappointment was real. Knowing you had to wait years before another album from either dropped. It wasn't like you could just download songs, you bought a CD, you listened to it whether it was good or not cause that's all you had. There was no internet, the only news was through The Source or Rap Pages, like once a month. So we had no idea what was going through Snoop or Kurupt's minds when they totally switched up their appearance for these albums. Last time I saw Kurupt was on the Doggy Dogg World video dressed like a pimp. Then I hear he has an album coming out and i'm pumped. I go to buy it, and he's dressed like a 40's gangster on the cover rapping over an entire disc of east coast beats, like WTF? And none of the original DPGs are on the album, he's rapping with people like Baby S, El Drex, Roscoe, cats i've never even heard of back then. I was hella disappointed. Kuruption grew on me after a while, but just like Doggfather, it wasn't at all what i was expecting. It's easy for these younger guys to look back in hindsight and praise this album but unless you actually lived through it, you won't fully understand.
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So true homie, you and I were there when these albums first dropped. I was sitting at Best Buy on new release Tuesday waiting to get this album, same with Doggfather. And this disappointment was real. Knowing you had to wait years before another album from either dropped. It wasn't like you could just download songs, you bought a CD, you listened to it whether it was good or not cause that's all you had. There was no internet, the only news was through The Source or Rap Pages, like once a month. So we had no idea what was going through Snoop or Kurupt's minds when they totally switched up their appearance for these albums. Last time I saw Kurupt was on the Doggy Dogg World video dressed like a pimp. Then I hear he has an album coming out and i'm pumped. I go to buy it, and he's dressed like a 40's gangster on the cover rapping over an entire disc of east coast beats, like WTF? And none of the original DPGs are on the album, he's rapping with people like Baby S, El Drex, Roscoe, cats i've never even heard of back then. I was hella disappointed. Kuruption grew on me after a while, but just like Doggfather, it wasn't at all what i was expecting. It's easy for these younger guys to look back in hindsight and praise this album but unless you actually lived through it, you won't fully understand.
The disappointment was real. I fuccin trusted these guys, dammit. That they knew what was best for me as a hip-hop head. When "Big Pimpin" came out the sound was much more light-hearted than Doggystyle, but dammit, I trusted these guys. So I just kept jamming away to it, and soon, it became my favorite jam of summer 94'. Warren G came out the same way, but I trusted it, and it ended up being a classic.
Shit.. Same with 7 Day Theory. I'm expecting Daz, Johnny J, "How Do You Want It" sound—— and suddenly Pac goes into this dark and mysterious mode under Makeveli 7 Day Theory. But again, I trusted these guys. They know what the fucc their doing. Soon, it became my favorite album.
...Then Doggfather comes and it's a string of dissapointments....even Dre couldn't deliver he had like half the album of next level bangers and other half filler for Aftermath Presents...Bad Azz was supposed to be the next big star and he hit us with a banger single and gave us hope but again, too much filler...
Kuruption was part of that. I was like, okay, he's got a new look, but the single is dope, so he's just taking this shit next level. He's got new artists like Baby S, and so I'm thinking, "okay, Kurupt is a label owner now like Suge and Dre, Kurupt is doing it big, he's about to go next level!"
Daz RRGB was the exception. It was like exactly what I was hoping for and expected————but nobody cared and the album didn't even go gold. I also thought Warren's second album Take A Look Over Your Shoulder met my expectations——but failed to do the numbers (though it did go gold)
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In real time I don’t know which album I was more disappointed in, Kuruption! Or Doggfather…probably Doggfather because that came out a few years before and Doggystyle was such a perfect album…I remember when I first heard Snoops Upside Ya Head and said to myself this bangs but something is missing… I think Dre said something similar in a Vibe article around the time it came out… then hearing the album I kind of felt the same way like some of these songs are dope but not next level dope…my 3 favorite songs from the album at that time were all collabs, Gold Rush, Downtown Assasins and Blueberry which might have been my favorite and Snoop is barely even on it…it’s grown on me after all this time however I will never forget the disappointment an almost 15 year old from Queens had at 1st listen
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In real time I don’t know which album I was more disappointed in, Kuruption! Or Doggfather…probably Doggfather because that came out a few years before and Doggystyle was such a perfect album…I remember when I first heard Snoops Upside Ya Head and said to myself this bangs but something is missing… I think Dre said something similar in a Vibe article around the time it came out… then hearing the album I kind of felt the same way like some of these songs are dope but not next level dope…my 3 favorite songs from the album at that time were all collabs, Gold Rush, Downtown Assasins and Blueberry which might have been my favorite and Snoop is barely even on it…it’s grown on me after all this time however I will never forget the disappointment an almost 15 year old from Queens had at 1st listen
Yep.. that shows how Snoop fell off, because "Gold Rush" and "BlueBerry" were for the LBC Crew album and being Top Dog Snoop got to take their shit and pretend like it was his own. But imagine Doggfather without those two joints? Now Snoop, would've really been in trouble. I'm not totally dissing Snoop, because even the 1997-98 Snoop was still my favorite rapper and I'd waste 20 bucks on a CD at Sam Goody just because he had a guest feature in those days. So he was still dope—but it wasn't Doggystyle.
So Doggfather was the most disappointed I ever was buying music. Guess what my second because disappointment was? THE GAME IS TO BE SOLD! The scene of it was dope as hell it was when they first started having midnight sales and I waited in a long line at BlockBusterMusic to buy it around July 4th Monday Night. Master P always put a hype track up front, so things started off okay... but that same feeling of depression came over me as I got towards track 20 just like Doggfather two years before that. I was so depressed I remember I picked up some sketchy looking hitchhiker in the hood, and gave him a ride all the way across the city because I felt if the dude jacked me and my car I didn't even care about life anymore, lol
Kuruption! had enough fresh material to keep me from just feeling like I wanted to just drive my car off a bridge. That shit bumped pretty hard and I rolled around with it for months. I didn't have disappointment anywhere near the Snoop albums. Snoop was my hero as a kid. He fell in line with Hulk Hogan, Sylvester Stallone, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, your hero is always supposed to come through for you when you need him most. It's like that classic 90's Nike Commercial, "Why We Believe in Heros" that had Montana throwing the Dwight Clark touchdown and Jordan hitting the jumper against Cleveland where he hung in the air for what seemed like forever.
So I had Snoop on that level like Hogan, Stallone, Jordan, Joe Montana. He saved my life when my x-girlfriend made out with my best friend right in front of me at the first ever real "party" I ever went to in 6th grade. I thought my life was over, and then heard "Ain't No Fun" and it healed me. I never put Kurupt on such a pedestal, so that's why I didn't have to commit suicide when Kuruption underwhelmed. I did look up to Kurupt and tried to copy how he walks and moves, and sits, and stands, and dresses, and so on... but he's not an alpha-male. Snoop was the top dog and Kurupt was the little homie running alongside in "Who Am I".
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Yep.. that shows how Snoop fell off, because "Gold Rush" and "BlueBerry" were for the LBC Crew album and being Top Dog Snoop got to take their shit and pretend like it was his own. But imagine Doggfather without those two joints? Now Snoop, would've really been in trouble. I'm not totally dissing Snoop, because even the 1997-98 Snoop was still my favorite rapper and I'd waste 20 bucks on a CD at Sam Goody just because he had a guest feature in those days. So he was still dope—but it wasn't Doggystyle.
So Doggfather was the most disappointed I ever was buying music. Guess what my second because disappointment was? THE GAME IS TO BE SOLD! The scene of it was dope as hell it was when they first started having midnight sales and I waited in a long line at BlockBusterMusic to buy it around July 4th Monday Night. Master P always put a hype track up front, so things started off okay... but that same feeling of depression came over me as I got towards track 20 just like Doggfather two years before that. I was so depressed I remember I picked up some sketchy looking hitchhiker in the hood, and gave him a ride all the way across the city because I felt if the dude jacked me and my car I didn't even care about life anymore, lol
Kuruption! had enough fresh material to keep me from just feeling like I wanted to just drive my car off a bridge. That shit bumped pretty hard and I rolled around with it for months. I didn't have disappointment anywhere near the Snoop albums. Snoop was my hero as a kid. He fell in line with Hulk Hogan, Sylvester Stallone, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, your hero is always supposed to come through for you when you need him most. It's like that classic 90's Nike Commercial, "Why We Believe in Heros" that had Montana throwing the Dwight Clark touchdown and Jordan hitting the jumper against Cleveland where he hung in the air for what seemed like forever.
So I had Snoop on that level like Hogan, Stallone, Jordan, Joe Montana. He saved my life when my x-girlfriend made out with my best friend right in front of me at the first ever real "party" I ever went to in 6th grade. I thought my life was over, and then heard "Ain't No Fun" and it healed me. I never put Kurupt on such a pedestal, so that's why I didn't have to commit suicide when Kuruption underwhelmed. I did look up to Kurupt and tried to copy how he walks and moves, and sits, and stands, and dresses, and so on... but he's not an alpha-male. Snoop was the top dog and Kurupt was the little homie running alongside in "Who Am I".
yeah Kurupt was always my favorite artist so I took it a little harder but Snoop was almost right there with him in my eyes and the disappointment was greater
in between both those releases Daz released his classic so there was at least some solace in '98 8)
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In real time, I was definitely more disappointed in Doggfather, but that is also because I was a way bigger snoop fan than kurupt.
Snoop came with a totally different style on doggfather. Way more different than kurupt switched it up. Also, Doggystyle was the most amazing album ever.
Years later though, I appreciate Doggfather for what it is. Can't say the same about Kuruption.
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yeah no matter how you feel about the album Kurupt had a couple of all time classic tracks on it, "We Can Freak It" and "C-Walk"...Snoop had a compilation of pretty dope songs but I can't say he had any classics...it also hurt Snoop that the OG track list was much better and had songs that were left off for one reason or another
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19ps-EarAKE
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yeah no matter how you feel about the album Kurupt had a couple of all time classic tracks on it, "We Can Freak It" and "C-Walk"...Snoop had a compilation of pretty dope songs but I can't say he had any classics...it also hurt Snoop that the OG track list was much better and had songs that were left off for one reason or another
Yeah homie… let’s just forget everything else for a moment and let’s just talk lead singles. “We Can Freak It” was superior to “Snoop’s Upside Ya Head”. In fact, let’s talk lead singles a moment..
I remember “We Can Freak It” shooting to #1 on the one rap program they used to play late at night on radio it had to have been a national program (probably from New York) because there is no way Kansas City could’ve produced a program this dope they used to have mixes and scratches and would throw in a few ol school joints, and then they’d finish with some top 5 rap songs in the country and I remember “We Can Freak It” having a solid hold on #1.
It’s bullshit that MTV didn’t blow it up. What was that all about? I almost wanna say there could’ve been some conspiracy going on against Suge related artists and Jimmy Iovine had to step in for Dre and Snoop to get big again once Eminem kickstarted the resurgence.
Because I’m still mad that MTV didn’t show any love to sure shot singles like “We Can Freak It” and Daz “In California”. There is no way that you can tell me those two singles/videos did not deserve play on the channel against what they were playing at the time. At least BET showed love to “We Can Freak it”, because Daz “In California” barely even got BET play. What the fuccs up with that? They let Xzibit’s “What U C” go #1 on the channel so they obviously had West Coast headz at the station that knew real West Coast hiphop but just straight up no love for Daz
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The disappointment was real. I fuccin trusted these guys, dammit. That they knew what was best for me as a hip-hop head. When "Big Pimpin" came out the sound was much more light-hearted than Doggystyle, but dammit, I trusted these guys. So I just kept jamming away to it, and soon, it became my favorite jam of summer 94'. Warren G came out the same way, but I trusted it, and it ended up being a classic.
Shit.. Same with 7 Day Theory. I'm expecting Daz, Johnny J, "How Do You Want It" sound—— and suddenly Pac goes into this dark and mysterious mode under Makeveli 7 Day Theory. But again, I trusted these guys. They know what the fucc their doing. Soon, it became my favorite album.
...Then Doggfather comes and it's a string of dissapointments....even Dre couldn't deliver he had like half the album of next level bangers and other half filler for Aftermath Presents...Bad Azz was supposed to be the next big star and he hit us with a banger single and gave us hope but again, too much filler...
Kuruption was part of that. I was like, okay, he's got a new look, but the single is dope, so he's just taking this shit next level. He's got new artists like Baby S, and so I'm thinking, "okay, Kurupt is a label owner now like Suge and Dre, Kurupt is doing it big, he's about to go next level!"
Daz RRGB was the exception. It was like exactly what I was hoping for and expected————but nobody cared and the album didn't even go gold. I also thought Warren's second album Take A Look Over Your Shoulder met my expectations——but failed to do the numbers (though it did go gold)
Yeah honestly if you think about it, Daz's album was the only Death Row release after Pac's death that actually lived up to expectations. Other than the Pac releases and soundtrack releases which were carried by the unreleased Pac stuff. Rage wasn't what was expected, Doggfather, was a letdown, Michelle was what it was low expectations, LBC Crew, Sam Sneed, Nate Dogg, OFTB, etc never got released. Daz's album got me pumped listening to it and actually thought Death Row might have a chance to continue on with Daz becoming the main producer and Tha Outlawz and LBC Crew continuing on the label.
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I haven’t listened to Kuruption in a minute I remember liking a handful of tracks but being underwhelmed overall. Especially since I thought the cover was dope af and We Can Freak it was classic
I think I’m gonna roll one up and revisit this
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How has no one mentioned “Play My Cards” it has that vintage battlecat sound
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The east disc is still pretty forgettable. Definitely should have been 1 disc
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The east disc is still pretty forgettable. Definitely should have been 1 disc
yup
but west coast disc is underrated
a handful of gems on that one
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Another day is another Kurupt battlecat gem
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How has no one mentioned “Play My Cards” it has that vintage battlecat sound
Yes "Another Day" definitely deserves mention (though it was sloppily thrown onto the album last minute) and as for "Play My Cards" -- I will tell you how no one mentioned.. and it certainly has nothing to do with Battlecat's stellar work on the track... and it has everything to do with this...
I got scams for hundreds of grams
Me and my man, me and my pistol, a plan
For about a
Whole ki load of some powder
Stashin, dippin, dashin, smashin, tryin to cash in
From the front to the back, and packin
Pull the strap and start clappin
I'm about to move a little somethin
A little sumptin-sumpin
For the homie, pack the pump and get to dumpin
Hit the liquor store, I wanna get paid
A fifth of Hen, then back to the shade
What you got, smoke, loc, let's blaze up
Let me get a toke, loc, and let's raise up
Punks stop and get popped when funk pop
I'm worldwide while you thinkin: either he is or he's not
International like Corey I
You can feel me
In the real way
"International like Corey and I" who the hell is Corey? That line is so wack. I think net keyboard gangstaz in a the keystyle section could've written shit like this back in 01' and 02' when keystylin was the big thing at the forum.. and just so you remember who Kurupt really is, for comparison let's put it up side by side with this...
Now, I’m a bonafide microphone technician wit' styles
I came to storm on these MC's like electrical clouds
Hear me now — a Born Killer like Mick n' Mall'
Down to trip and empty clips, and permanently exile
The oppositions, competition — discrete and dismantled
Light ‘em up like candlesticks wit' the instinct of a vandal
Vandalize, how I reprimand MC's to freeze
Movin' guarantees the temperature's decreased degrees
Frozen stiff, 'cause what I’m holdin’ lifts the soul
This mental automatic weapon keeps me in control
Never fold, I scald like water in order to let these MC's know I slaughter
So time's gettin' shorter
It sorta limits ya, but to me, the sky’s the limit
Ya know I diminish ya to dust, TEC's sinister
Bust one rhyme that’s like a voodoo hex
Connect complex styles wit' my vast high-tech flex
'Cause when there’s an MC like me who’s in there like swimwear
Don’t despite me, 'cause all the hoes like me, mashin’ in Nikes
I done seen niggas on TV, dissin' to get deals
Now, I got one question, nigga — how does it feel?
Check ya game, but I ain't even sayin' no names
Proclaimed lyricist dissin’ this for fortune and fame
Did I do somethin' to ya? Did we serve ya hoes?
'Cause your on TV rappin’ like ya knew me and know me
But you don’t really know me
Dat muthafuckin' nigga from Tha D-P-G! Tha K-U-R-U-P-T!
I’m too smooth (Muthafucka)
And yet Kurupt went on a facebook rant last week because people complained about the Kuruption! album, I think it's pretty clear he needs to take a bit of responsibility
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Yes "Another Day" definitely deserves mention (though it was sloppily thrown onto the album last minute) and as for "Play My Cards" -- I will tell you how no one mentioned.. and it certainly has nothing to do with Battlecat's stellar work on the track... and it has everything to do with this...
I got scams for hundreds of grams
Me and my man, me and my pistol, a plan
For about a
Whole ki load of some powder
Stashin, dippin, dashin, smashin, tryin to cash in
From the front to the back, and packin
Pull the strap and start clappin
I'm about to move a little somethin
A little sumptin-sumpin
For the homie, pack the pump and get to dumpin
Hit the liquor store, I wanna get paid
A fifth of Hen, then back to the shade
What you got, smoke, loc, let's blaze up
Let me get a toke, loc, and let's raise up
Punks stop and get popped when funk pop
I'm worldwide while you thinkin: either he is or he's not
International like Corey I
You can feel me
In the real way
"International like Corey and I" who the hell is Corey? That line is so wack. I think net keyboard gangstaz in a the keystyle section could've written shit like this back in 01' and 02' when keystylin was the big thing at the forum.. and just so you remember who Kurupt really is, for comparison let's put it up side by side with this...
Now, I’m a bonafide microphone technician wit' styles
I came to storm on these MC's like electrical clouds
Hear me now — a Born Killer like Mick n' Mall'
Down to trip and empty clips, and permanently exile
The oppositions, competition — discrete and dismantled
Light ‘em up like candlesticks wit' the instinct of a vandal
Vandalize, how I reprimand MC's to freeze
Movin' guarantees the temperature's decreased degrees
Frozen stiff, 'cause what I’m holdin’ lifts the soul
This mental automatic weapon keeps me in control
Never fold, I scald like water in order to let these MC's know I slaughter
So time's gettin' shorter
It sorta limits ya, but to me, the sky’s the limit
Ya know I diminish ya to dust, TEC's sinister
Bust one rhyme that’s like a voodoo hex
Connect complex styles wit' my vast high-tech flex
'Cause when there’s an MC like me who’s in there like swimwear
Don’t despite me, 'cause all the hoes like me, mashin’ in Nikes
I done seen niggas on TV, dissin' to get deals
Now, I got one question, nigga — how does it feel?
Check ya game, but I ain't even sayin' no names
Proclaimed lyricist dissin’ this for fortune and fame
Did I do somethin' to ya? Did we serve ya hoes?
'Cause your on TV rappin’ like ya knew me and know me
But you don’t really know me
Dat muthafuckin' nigga from Tha D-P-G! Tha K-U-R-U-P-T!
I’m too smooth (Muthafucka)
And yet Kurupt went on a facebook rant last week because people complained about the Kuruption! album, I think it's pretty clear he needs to take a bit of responsibility
Kurupt freestyling again...sometimes it came out dope but sometimes it came out like that
that Battlecat beat was crazy however...really all 4 of the ones he did
yup
but west coast disc is underrated
a handful of gems on that one
Ive been listening to it a lot lately...really if Kurupt was in top form or at least in Streetz form we would be talking about a classic West Coast disc
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Kurupt freestyling again...sometimes it came out dope but sometimes it came out like that
that Battlecat beat was crazy however...really all 4 of the ones he did
Ive been listening to it a lot lately...really if Kurupt was in top form or at least in Streetz form we would be talking about a classic West Coast disc
It was all laid out for him. 1998 was the last BIG opportunity for an artist of Kurupts caliber to go platinum. The industry was at its optimum health:
—pre-MP3 and Napster explosion that took off in 99’
—even B-Team No Limit artists were pushing major units in 98’
—MTV and BET were at the height of their music video popularity pushin artists
—All the rap magazines like Source, XXL on the rise, Blaze, Rap Pages, in full effect pushin artists
—Kurupt had yet to fail his credibility was untarnished and he was coming off platinum albums Dogg Food and platinum guest appearances
—Respected by all the producers, rappers in the game, anyone would answer their phone if he called for a beat or a guest appearance
—He was still in his physical prime around only age 25 still
—He got backing from the major A&M and they granted him his own label ANTRA and budget for the album to give him every chance to turn in a classic
—radio was still big and “We Can Freak It” was getting solid airplay
—commercials promoting the album every commercial break on BET rap city
^^All this and he takes probably 2 minutes to write his verses or just goes in a booth and just rhymes,
“Dumpin
Pumpin
Jumpin
Dippin
Dashin
Mashin
Crashin
Fashion
Loc
Toc
Smoke
Spark it
Start it
Park it
Target
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It was all laid out for him. 1998 was the last BIG opportunity for an artist of Kurupts caliber to go platinum. The industry was at its optimum health:
—pre-MP3 and Napster explosion that took off in 99’
—even B-Team No Limit artists were pushing major units in 98’
—MTV and BET were at the height of their music video popularity pushin artists
—All the rap magazines like Source, XXL on the rise, Blaze, Rap Pages, in full effect pushin artists
—Kurupt had yet to fail his credibility was untarnished and he was coming off platinum albums Dogg Food and platinum guest appearances
—Respected by all the producers, rappers in the game, anyone would answer their phone if he called for a beat or a guest appearance
—He was still in his physical prime around only age 25 still
—He got backing from the major A&M and they granted him his own label ANTRA and budget for the album to give him every chance to turn in a classic
^^All this and he takes probably 2 minutes to write his verses or just goes in a booth and just rhymes,
“Dumpin
Pumpin
Jumpin
Dippin
Dashin
Mashin
Crashin
Fashion
Loc
Toc
Smoke
Spark it
Start it
Park it
Target
one of the worst verses I heard Kurupt ever spit was on the Ras Kass track "Ice Age" that same year...same freestyle flow just rhyming random words
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prp_yRRNmnM&list=RDPrp_yRRNmnM&start_radio=1
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one of the worst verses I heard Kurupt ever spit was on the Ras Kass track "Ice Age" that same year...same freestyle flow just rhyming random words
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prp_yRRNmnM&list=RDPrp_yRRNmnM&start_radio=1
Yeah seriously, someone has got to ask him in an interview what happened, because he clearly wasn’t writing the same way after Death Row
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Yeah seriously, someone has got to ask him in an interview what happened, because he clearly wasn’t writing the same way after Death Row
it's energy
he was around dre, snoop, DOC, Rage, RBX during the death row days
draws inspiration
rhyming has a lot to do with the energy u surround yaself wit
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it's energy
he was around dre, snoop, DOC, Rage, RBX during the death row days
draws inspiration
rhyming has a lot to do with the energy u surround yaself wit
I did hear him say something in one interview about “we did make wack shit at Death Row, you guys just weren’t hearing it”.
Meaning that the quality standard of perfectionism that Dre established there meant they recorded something like 100 tracks for Dogg Food and we only heard the 17 or so that met the standard
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it's energy
he was around dre, snoop, DOC, Rage, RBX during the death row days
draws inspiration
rhyming has a lot to do with the energy u surround yaself wit
Facts...there's a big difference between the Death Row crew and Foxy Brown/Pretty Boy
one story I heard that Kurupt was so drunk one night that he actually let Foxy write his 1st verse on this track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic6HF_gwZ70&list=RDic6HF_gwZ70&start_radio=1
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Facts...there's a big difference between the Death Row crew and Foxy Brown/Pretty Boy
one story I heard that Kurupt was so drunk one night that he actually let Foxy write his 1st verse on this track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic6HF_gwZ70&list=RDic6HF_gwZ70&start_radio=1
See listening to that and even the Ras Kass song I can see him saying, “that shit bumps it’s dope”. He was on a BET Rap City interview in the Dogg Food era and said him and Daz would argue because Daz would keep wanting to change shit and he would be like “nah it’s dope”
I think it comes down to that, B Legit, Bad Azz (“Money Houses and Cars”) and Rass label cut him a check or whatever, shit sounded dope enough he had a good time in the studio hung out with them and all that was good enough for Kurupt.
And there was no Dre, no Suge, no Daz, no Snoop, no Warren G—nobody around that was his equal or above to put a foot in his ass and tell him to do shit over again. B Legit, Bad Azz, and Rass aren’t on his level as far as stripes in the game to tell him, “yo Kurupt what the fucc was that that shit was weak, I need some shit like what u were doing on Dogg Food, do your shit over again”.
For Pete Rock he gave his A game maybe because Pete Rock is a producer so he made Kurupt do the shit right
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Snoop was my hero as a kid. He fell in line with Hulk Hogan, Sylvester Stallone, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, your hero is always supposed to come through for you when you need him most.
RIP The Super Destroyer
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RIP The Super Destroyer
No doubt brother,
Hogan my first hero. Woke up on a Saturday morning to find my brother in front of the TV watching Hogan’s “Rock-n-Wrestling”.
I would say RIP but any true Hogan fan knows Hulkamania never dies !!!
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See listening to that and even the Ras Kass song I can see him saying, “that shit bumps it’s dope”. He was on a BET Rap City interview in the Dogg Food era and said him and Daz would argue because Daz would keep wanting to change shit and he would be like “nah it’s dope”
I think it comes down to that, B Legit, Bad Azz (“Money Houses and Cars”) and Rass label cut him a check or whatever, shit sounded dope enough he had a good time in the studio hung out with them and all that was good enough for Kurupt.
And there was no Dre, no Suge, no Daz, no Snoop, no Warren G—nobody around that was his equal or above to put a foot in his ass and tell him to do shit over again. B Legit, Bad Azz, and Rass aren’t on his level as far as stripes in the game to tell him, “yo Kurupt what the fucc was that that shit was weak, I need some shit like what u were doing on Dogg Food, do your shit over again”.
For Pete Rock he gave his A game maybe because Pete Rock is a producer so he made Kurupt do the shit right
yeah man I think the problem was a combination of a lot of factors...like Sccit brought up the people surrounding him at the time...I remember Dre mentioning to him not to do a double album, if Dre would have had any type of input or involvement other than the last minute addition of "Ask Yourself A Question" we are looking at a totally different project
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I went to listen to Kuruption today on Spotify and it's not on there, annoying.
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yeah man I think the problem was a combination of a lot of factors...like Sccit brought up the people surrounding him at the time...I remember Dre mentioning to him not to do a double album, if Dre would have had any type of input or involvement other than the last minute addition of "Ask Yourself A Question" we are looking at a totally different project
I’d like to see a breakdown of the sales for the album. From what I remember it didn’t look good. Just like Daz he only came in at #6 selling probably 100,000 the first week and that may have only been 50,000 but they counted it double. “We Can Freak It” had already been out since August and the album had been pushed back to October but still wasn’t pushed back enough because the liner notes were missing some of the better songs.
So then Kurupt released the weakest single/video we’d ever seen any Death Row related artist release up to that point that wack “Gimme What U Got”. The track did bump in in the stereo a bit but not single worthy.
Then he got a second push finally with the Dre track “Ask Yourself”. I wonder how much that boosted the album sales. He was on MTV talking about the video and he says like it’s nothing, “Dre’s doing my my whole second album.”
And I’m like… “yeah right”
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I went to listen to Kuruption today on Spotify and it's not on there, annoying.
yes it is
https://open.spotify.com/album/4dSH1oNZoziNjKAanUimWd
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No doubt brother,
Hogan my first hero. Woke up on a Saturday morning to find my brother in front of the TV watching Hogan’s “Rock-n-Wrestling”.
I would say RIP but any true Hogan fan knows Hulkamania never dies !!!
RIP to a legend
what do u make of his racist remarks?
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RIP to a legend
what do u make of his racist remarks?
It’s 2025, everyone is a racist by the standards of today. Calling someone and accusing someone of being a racist has gotten so overdone and so cliche’ that I’m numb to it.
Not to mention the double standard that everyone is allowed to say anything they want about whites without facing any backlash.
Everything isn’t about race. There’s more to life than answering the question of, “oh my god, but is he a racist?”
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It’s 2025, everyone is a racist by the standards of today. Calling someone and accusing someone of being a racist has gotten so overdone and so cliche’ that I’m numb to it.
Not to mention the double standard that everyone is allowed to say anything they want about whites without facing any backlash.
Everything isn’t about race. There’s more to life than answering the question of, “oh my god, but is he a racist?”
i agree that cancel culture has gotten outa hand
but u didn't answer the question
:hmmm:
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I’d like to see a breakdown of the sales for the album. From what I remember it didn’t look good. Just like Daz he only came in at #6 selling probably 100,000 the first week and that may have only been 50,000 but they counted it double. “We Can Freak It” had already been out since August and the album had been pushed back to October but still wasn’t pushed back enough because the liner notes were missing some of the better songs.
So then Kurupt released the weakest single/video we’d ever seen any Death Row related artist release up to that point that wack “Gimme What U Got”. The track did bump in in the stereo a bit but not single worthy.
Then he got a second push finally with the Dre track “Ask Yourself”. I wonder how much that boosted the album sales. He was on MTV talking about the video and he says like it’s nothing, “Dre’s doing my my whole second album.”
And I’m like… “yeah right”
according to ChatGPT it came in at #8 at 82,000 copies...thats the only confirmed figure however
as for what it has sold up to now I doubt its more than 400-450k if that
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yes it is
https://open.spotify.com/album/4dSH1oNZoziNjKAanUimWd
Can only listen to 3 tracks on that link, unless it's just not on the Australian version of Spotify.
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Can only listen to 3 tracks on that link, unless it's just not on the Australian version of Spotify.
it all works here in los angeles
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according to ChatGPT it came in at #8 at 82,000 copies...thats the only confirmed figure however
as for what it has sold up to now I doubt its more than 400-450k if that
They don't even have figures on it, but it's not good. That 82,000 first week is actually only 41,000 in the first week because they counted as double.
My guess is he sold 150,000 doubled to put him at 300,000 to 400,000 albums but not even gold, and he definitely didn't go gold during his era because the Source used to do a pretty solid job listing gold and platinum albums at the end of every year.
I bet Kurupt was shocked when the sales figures came in. He thought he had his own label and was going to be the next Master P, Dre, Suge, Jay-Z, Dame Dash, Ruff Ryders, So So Def.
That was the thing then, the industry was so healthy a lot of these majors were giving away 100's of thousands to millions to rappers to have their own imprints/labels and he had ANTRA and Baby S.
Then, after those first week sales figures came in you never heard shit about ANTRA and Kurupts "label" anymore. The only thing you heard was him and everybody else begging Dr. Dre to get his career back to where it was supposed to be.
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i agree that cancel culture has gotten outa hand
but u didn't answer the question
:hmmm:
That's how people talked in the 1980's I'm old enough to remember, up until the early half of the 90's it was nicca this and nicca that, I heard all that type of stuff growing up. Even for me and my friends, it was like when you discovered any sort of "bad" word like "69" or "cunt", the most popular guy in the 6th grade was the kid that knew the most cuss words, lol.
But you wanna know what's more important? Even though people talked that way, when it came down to it, they still had black friends, broke bread with black people, and even loved and admired black people. As did Hogan. Just look at the first time I ever saw Hogan was when he was going cross country with the legendary Mr. T and we as kids all believed 100% that him and Mr. T were best friends and they had joined forces to fight evil in the world. So all the 80's kids grew up believing Hogan was best friends with a black man Mr. T. That matters way more than some "racist" (I put in quotes cause everything is called racist these days) comments he made in private.
The racist talk didn't really stop till after Pac died in 1996' all of that stuff kind of went away. The world really got passed the talk and then these woke liberals brought it all back to the forefront in 2015 because it's the only way they can get elected anymore, is to accuse the opposition of being racist. Also, it's likely a deeper agenda to push the race thing, the gender thing, etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZuzfdwmZRo&t=7s
^^Look at the big, bad racist going around the whole country preparing for Wrestlemania 1 with his best friend Mr. T fighting evil in the world, and teaching kids to take their vitamins, and say their prayers.
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That's how people talked in the 1980's I'm old enough to remember, up until the early half of the 90's it was nicca this and nicca that, I heard all that type of stuff growing up. Even for me and my friends, it was like when you discovered any sort of "bad" word like "69" or "cunt", the most popular guy in the 6th grade was the kid that knew the most cuss words, lol.
But you wanna know what's more important? Even though people talked that way, when it came down to it, they still had black friends, broke bread with black people, and even loved and admired black people. As did Hogan. Just look at the first time I ever saw Hogan was when he was going cross country with the legendary Mr. T and we as kids all believed 100% that him and Mr. T were best friends and they had joined forces to fight evil in the world. So all the 80's kids grew up believing Hogan was best friends with a black man Mr. T. That matters way more than some "racist" (I put in quotes cause everything is called racist these days) comments he made in private.
The racist talk didn't really stop till after Pac died in 1996' all of that stuff kind of went away. The world really got passed the talk and then these woke liberals brought it all back to the forefront in 2015 because it's the only way they can get elected anymore, is to accuse the opposition of being racist. Also, it's likely a deeper agenda to push the race thing, the gender thing, etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZuzfdwmZRo&t=7s
^^Look at the big, bad racist going around the whole country preparing for Wrestlemania 1 with his best friend Mr. T fighting evil in the world, and teaching kids to take their vitamins, and say their prayers.
growing up in NYC in the 90s almost every teen was using the word "nicca"...if you ever saw that movie "Kids" it was very similar to what was going on here at the time...it was never a racist thing it was just the popular lingo used at the time by the youth
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They don't even have figures on it, but it's not good. That 82,000 first week is actually only 41,000 in the first week because they counted as double.
My guess is he sold 150,000 doubled to put him at 300,000 to 400,000 albums but not even gold, and he definitely didn't go gold during his era because the Source used to do a pretty solid job listing gold and platinum albums at the end of every year.
I bet Kurupt was shocked when the sales figures came in. He thought he had his own label and was going to be the next Master P, Dre, Suge, Jay-Z, Dame Dash, Ruff Ryders, So So Def.
That was the thing then, the industry was so healthy a lot of these majors were giving away 100's of thousands to millions to rappers to have their own imprints/labels and he had ANTRA and Baby S.
Then, after those first week sales figures came in you never heard shit about ANTRA and Kurupts "label" anymore. The only thing you heard was him and everybody else begging Dr. Dre to get his career back to where it was supposed to be.
I didnt even consider the double album effect...same thing with AEOM which had 565k 1st week but really was around 282k
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growing up in NYC in the 90s almost every teen was using the word "nicca"...if you ever saw that movie "Kids" it was very similar to what was going on here at the time...it was never a racist thing it was just the popular lingo used at the time by the youth
KIDS was a great, great movie. And so true to the times. I mean, we were in the midwest, but it really hit home, because we were the same age as the kids in the movie, and they were definitely the type of kids that would've been popular at my school, like the baggie skateboard vibe, and the kids that were already doing drugs and parents let them do whatever the fucc they wanted. I was a bit intimidated by them but still tried to be a poser and pretend I was living the same kind of life to a lesser degree of course.
(Except, I didn't like that they had to put the political angle agenda at the end with Dr. Fraud Fauci and his "MAGIC JOHNSON HAS AIDS AND WILL DIE AND EVERY WOMAN HE SLEPT WITH IS GONNA BE DEAD SO NOBODY HAVE SEX" bullshit. Magic tests negative now, btw most people don't even know that they think the reason he's alive is cause he's rich and pays for medicine, they don't even know he's not even HIV positive because it was all a hoax)
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KIDS was a great, great movie. And so true to the times. I mean, we were in the midwest, but it really hit home, because we were the same age as the kids in the movie, and they were definitely the type of kids that would've been popular at my school, like the baggie skateboard vibe, and the kids that were already doing drugs and parents let them do whatever the fucc they wanted. I was a bit intimidated by them but still tried to be a poser and pretend I was living the same kind of life to a lesser degree of course.
(Except, I didn't like that they had to put the political angle agenda at the end with Dr. Fraud Fauci and his "MAGIC JOHNSON HAS AIDS AND WILL DIE AND EVERY WOMAN HE SLEPT WITH IS GONNA BE DEAD SO NOBODY HAVE SEX" bullshit. Magic tests negative now, btw most people don't even know that they think the reason he's alive is cause he's rich and pays for medicine, they don't even know he's not even HIV positive because it was all a hoax)
yeah man it was a great movie, very realistic to what was going on here in NYC at the time...Rosario Dawson was fine as hell in it too
and as far as the Magic HIV thing yeah they were pushing that angle hard back then...and what was Magics part in this whole farce? did he even have one? did they just want him out of the NBA? there are numerous possibilities but anyway lol
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That's how people talked in the 1980's I'm old enough to remember, up until the early half of the 90's it was nicca this and nicca that, I heard all that type of stuff growing up. Even for me and my friends, it was like when you discovered any sort of "bad" word like "69" or "cunt", the most popular guy in the 6th grade was the kid that knew the most cuss words, lol.
But you wanna know what's more important? Even though people talked that way, when it came down to it, they still had black friends, broke bread with black people, and even loved and admired black people. As did Hogan. Just look at the first time I ever saw Hogan was when he was going cross country with the legendary Mr. T and we as kids all believed 100% that him and Mr. T were best friends and they had joined forces to fight evil in the world. So all the 80's kids grew up believing Hogan was best friends with a black man Mr. T. That matters way more than some "racist" (I put in quotes cause everything is called racist these days) comments he made in private.
The racist talk didn't really stop till after Pac died in 1996' all of that stuff kind of went away. The world really got passed the talk and then these woke liberals brought it all back to the forefront in 2015 because it's the only way they can get elected anymore, is to accuse the opposition of being racist. Also, it's likely a deeper agenda to push the race thing, the gender thing, etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZuzfdwmZRo&t=7s
^^Look at the big, bad racist going around the whole country preparing for Wrestlemania 1 with his best friend Mr. T fighting evil in the world, and teaching kids to take their vitamins, and say their prayers.
yea i agree with u, only hulk was actually saying "i don't want my daughter around niggers" ... wasn't saying "nigga" to be down. he literally said "yea, im racist.. fucking niggers" word for word.
then in a seperate incident, after his son was nearly killed in a car wreck, his primary concern was that his family would be reincarnated into a black family as a curse because of karma lol
so while you're right about "niggA" bein the lingo back then, Hulk was clearly on some "fuck these niggERs" type shit ... as opposed to just using it because it was the thing to do at the time
:ray:
i do agree that people fuck up and that shouldn't be what defines him, especially not in death .. just knew you'd have an interesting take on it, which is why i asked
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i agree that cancel culture has gotten outa hand
but u didn't answer the question
:hmmm:
A true racist is defined by their actions. Yeah Hogan used some slurs, but nearly every black wrestler he has ever worked with came out and said he was nothing but the nicest guy, even helped many get started in the business. Tiny Lister (Zeus) said Hogan treated him with nothing but respect, same thing with Mr. T. So, you have a tape of him going on tirade saying some racial slurs. And you have 40 years in the business with proof of him treating black people with respect, granting countless Make A Wishes, etc
So to me, I base it on actions, not words. His actions are not the actions of a racist.
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yeah man it was a great movie, very realistic to what was going on here in NYC at the time...Rosario Dawson was fine as hell in it too
and as far as the Magic HIV thing yeah they were pushing that angle hard back then...and what was Magics part in this whole farce? did he even have one? did they just want him out of the NBA? there are numerous possibilities but anyway lol
It was just anything to ramp up the fear. So they had these major celebrities—Magic and Tommy Morrison who test positive and people were legit afraid to have sex around that time for fear of AIDS. Well Magic isn’t the type to really investigate and take on the industry but Tommy did. His wife has exposed so much. They’ve never been able to find out where that one positive test supposedly came from—yet he had his whole life ruined over it. He was scheduled to face Mike Tyson in like a 50 mill fight.
He’s always tested negative since, as has Magic Johnson. But it’s so telling that people never knew that because the negative tests were never publicized—but the one time these guys supposedly tested positive it was front page news all over the media and my entire 6th grade had to meet in the gym for one of those big talks about HIV and AIDS when Magic tested positive.
Tommy also went around to all the thousands of women he slept with and none of them ever turned up sick from this supposedly deadly contagious spreading virus. Same with Magic and Eazy E—if it’s so deadly and so contagious the obvious red flag 🚩 that shows the whole thing as a hoax for anyone that thinks critically is how come none of their wives and families turned up wit anything!
To me, it’s as simple as this. Take Coward-19 for example. A husband and wife both go to the clinic—one tests positive and the other one negative. Forget all the other mountains of evidence—that’s all I need to know to know that something doesn’t add up. You are sleeping with someone and can’t even pass to them this supposedly deadly contagion and yet everyone where masks and entire world on lockdown?!?
Go ahead, laugh at the flat earther since you are all spinning at thousands of miles per hour swimming upside down on the bottom of your ball 🌍 floating in outer space pray to not get hit by your meteor ☄️ as you seek to see if there is alien 👽 life on Mars.
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A true racist is defined by their actions. Yeah Hogan used some slurs, but nearly every black wrestler he has ever worked with came out and said he was nothing but the nicest guy, even helped many get started in the business. Tiny Lister (Zeus) said Hogan treated him with nothing but respect, same thing with Mr. T. So, you have a tape of him going on tirade saying some racial slurs. And you have 40 years in the business with proof of him treating black people with respect, granting countless Make A Wishes, etc
So to me, I base it on actions, not words. His actions are not the actions of a racist.
so you don't think not wanting your daughter to date a black person is a racist action?
genuinely curious.. i know the answer can go either way based on some cultures believing in maintaining race purity. but that's textbook definition of racist principles if we're being objective.
having "black friends" doesnt automatically mean someone isn't inherently racist
"i have black friends" is a lot of times a racist persons go to response to a racist action
i've been wrongfully accused of being racist a lot, so i'm not on the sensitive "cancel everyone!" end of the spectrum
i just think there's a clear cut difference between someone like eminem who gets accused of racism and hulk, who comes off as having inherently racist views that he held dear to his ideology
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so you don't think not wanting your daughter to date a black person is a racist action?
genuinely curious.. i know the answer can go either way based on some cultures believing in maintaining race purity. but that's textbook definition of racist principles if we're being objective.
having "black friends" doesnt automatically mean someone isn't inherently racist
"i have black friends" is a lot of times a racist persons go to response to a racist action
i've been wrongfully accused of being racist a lot, so i'm not on the sensitive "cancel everyone!" end of the spectrum
i just think there's a clear cut difference between someone like eminem who gets accused of racism and hulk, who comes off as having inherently racist views that he held dear to his ideology
It’s a good debate question that you posed so let’s keep it right there. Does not wanting your daughter to marry or bear children outside of her race make someone a racist?
As much as I love Hogan I would be lying if I didn’t admit that that fits the historical definition of “racist”.
But does it automatically make someone a bad person because they don’t want their daughter to date outside the race, no. It does mean that in that specific case this person is showing evidence of racism, but it doesn’t automatically make them a bad person overall. Like, we all have our bad qualities.
Also, a person should be allowed such a preference. Like, though it is kind of racist to say your daughter shouldn’t date outside her race, it’s still a person’s right to have such a preference.
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It’s a good debate question that you posed so let’s keep it right there. Does not wanting your daughter to marry or bear children outside of her race make someone a racist?
As much as I love Hogan I would be lying if I didn’t admit that that fits the historical definition of “racist”.
But does it automatically make someone a bad person because they don’t want their daughter to date outside the race, no. It does mean that in that specific case this person is showing evidence of racism, but it doesn’t automatically make them a bad person overall. Like, we all have our bad qualities.
Also, a person should be allowed such a preference. Like, though it is kind of racist to say your daughter shouldn’t date outside her race, it’s still a person’s right to have such a preference.
i'm glad you could be honest about that
i also don't think hogan was a bad person... i just think he was an all american redneck who was raised in the deep south during jim crowe, which made him inherently hold racist views
but in death, thats for God to judge .. the truth will always rise to the surface in the end
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It was just anything to ramp up the fear. So they had these major celebrities—Magic and Tommy Morrison who test positive and people were legit afraid to have sex around that time for fear of AIDS. Well Magic isn’t the type to really investigate and take on the industry but Tommy did. His wife has exposed so much. They’ve never been able to find out where that one positive test supposedly came from—yet he had his whole life ruined over it. He was scheduled to face Mike Tyson in like a 50 mill fight.
He’s always tested negative since, as has Magic Johnson. But it’s so telling that people never knew that because the negative tests were never publicized—but the one time these guys supposedly tested positive it was front page news all over the media and my entire 6th grade had to meet in the gym for one of those big talks about HIV and AIDS when Magic tested positive.
Tommy also went around to all the thousands of women he slept with and none of them ever turned up sick from this supposedly deadly contagious spreading virus. Same with Magic and Eazy E—if it’s so deadly and so contagious the obvious red flag 🚩 that shows the whole thing as a hoax for anyone that thinks critically is how come none of their wives and families turned up wit anything!
To me, it’s as simple as this. Take Coward-19 for example. A husband and wife both go to the clinic—one tests positive and the other one negative. Forget all the other mountains of evidence—that’s all I need to know to know that something doesn’t add up. You are sleeping with someone and can’t even pass to them this supposedly deadly contagion and yet everyone where masks and entire world on lockdown?!?
Go ahead, laugh at the flat earther since you are all spinning at thousands of miles per hour swimming upside down on the bottom of your ball 🌍 floating in outer space pray to not get hit by your meteor ☄️ as you seek to see if there is alien 👽 life on Mars.
yeah man interesting thoughts...I agree with most of what you said
the HIV situation has always been fishy...Eazy supposedly learned he had AIDS and then he dies shortly there after...but Magic tests positive in 1991 and looks as healthy as ever here in 2025
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yeah man interesting thoughts...I agree with most of what you said
the HIV situation has always been fishy...Eazy supposedly learned he had AIDS and then he dies shortly there after...but Magic tests positive in 1991 and looks as healthy as ever here in 2025
And ask the average Joe in the street. Ask them, “how is Magic still healing as an Ox 🐂 in 2025.” They will answer you, “oh it’s because he’s rich and has access to the best medicine 💊 and doctors.”
No, the guy is actually HIV negative. He tests negative. He doesn’t even have “it”.
They even admit publicly that HIV can not be found in his bloodstream and that regular tests can not detect it. So they do these specialized antibody tests to try to still justify him as “living with HIV”. But they admit that the antibody tests don’t actually test for the virus itself.
So guess what can cause these anti-bodies to show up?? You guessed it!! The vaxxx for HIV can produce these antibodies !!!!!
Yet none of this sounds fishy to anyone?? If you don’t believe me go ask ChatGPT or Google all the info I just posted and tell me it doesn’t sound suspicious.
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so you don't think not wanting your daughter to date a black person is a racist action?
genuinely curious.. i know the answer can go either way based on some cultures believing in maintaining race purity. but that's textbook definition of racist principles if we're being objective.
having "black friends" doesnt automatically mean someone isn't inherently racist
"i have black friends" is a lot of times a racist persons go to response to a racist action
i've been wrongfully accused of being racist a lot, so i'm not on the sensitive "cancel everyone!" end of the spectrum
i just think there's a clear cut difference between someone like eminem who gets accused of racism and hulk, who comes off as having inherently racist views that he held dear to his ideology
I look at it more as was it something that was said in anger, or something that was truly meant? You know when you get mad at your parents and say you hate them, but don't really mean it? And to Infinite's point. There are alot of people who don't want to marry outside their race because of all the challenges that go along with that, not necessarily because they hate a particular race.
Again, you have a 40 year old track record of non-racist behavior vs. a 10 minute verbal angry tirade in which some derogatory slurs were said, but not acted upon in any way. It's pretty cut and dry in my book. Hogan was certainly in a position of power where he could easily call the shots and not work with black wrestlers, not have organizations sign black wrestlers, use his power to hold a particular race down, etc....and there's zero evidence of that, in fact there's evidence of the opposite. So if Hogan was a racist, he wasn't a very good one as he helped the black race way more than hurt it.
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I look at it more as was it something that was said in anger, or something that was truly meant? You know when you get mad at your parents and say you hate them, but don't really mean it? And to Infinite's point. There are alot of people who don't want to marry outside their race because of all the challenges that go along with that, not necessarily because they hate a particular race.
Again, you have a 40 year old track record of non-racist behavior vs. a 10 minute verbal angry tirade in which some derogatory slurs were said, but not acted upon in any way. It's pretty cut and dry in my book. Hogan was certainly in a position of power where he could easily call the shots and not work with black wrestlers, not have organizations sign black wrestlers, use his power to hold a particular race down, etc....and there's zero evidence of that, in fact there's evidence of the opposite. So if Hogan was a racist, he wasn't a very good one as he helped the black race way more than hurt it.
so based on this ideology, if you associate with black people that means u can't be racist? because he was willing to wrestle other black wrestlers lol
i'm not saying he was some evil racist who wanted the black race to be eliminated
there's different types of racism
viewing black people as lesser than, even if you're willing to associate with them, is still racism
and what hogan did wasn't in a fit of rage.. he said himself in a very calm tone "am i racist? yea.. fucking niggers. i just don't want my daughter marrying a nigger. and if she were to marry a nigger, it should be a rich basketball nigger"
so yea.. add that to the fact that he's a redneck who grew up in georgia during jim crowe
and the safe bet is that while he's willing to associate with black people, he absolutely had some racist views
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so based on this ideology, if you associate with black people that means u can't be racist? because he was willing to wrestle other black wrestlers lol
i'm not saying he was some evil racist who wanted the black race to be eliminated
there's different types of racism
viewing black people as lesser than, even if you're willing to associate with them, is still racism
and what hogan did wasn't in a fit of rage.. he said himself in a very calm tone "am i racist? yea.. fucking niggers. i just don't want my daughter marrying a nigger. and if she were to marry a nigger, it should be a rich basketball nigger"
so yea.. add that to the fact that he's a redneck who grew up in georgia during jim crowe
and the safe bet is that while he's willing to associate with black people, he absolutely had some racist views
Again, you're missing the point completely. Associating with black people is different than treating them in a negative way. As I said, the dude was the most powerful man in all of wrestling, he called all the shots in mid 80's WWF, then when he signed with WCW, he called all the shots there. Then when he joined TNA, he called all the shots there. Only in the WWE in the 2000's was when Hogan lost alot of his backstage power. Listen to the interviews with many black wrestlers, Devon Dudley as the most recent, saying he owes his entire career to Hogan. As i said, if Hogan was a racist, he was a very bad racist as many black wrestlers thrived and flourished under Hogan's watch.
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Again, you're missing the point completely. Associating with black people is different than treating them in a negative way. As I said, the dude was the most powerful man in all of wrestling, he called all the shots in mid 80's WWF, then when he signed with WCW, he called all the shots there. Then when he joined TNA, he called all the shots there. Only in the WWE in the 2000's was when Hogan lost alot of his backstage power. Listen to the interviews with many black wrestlers, Devon Dudley as the most recent, saying he owes his entire career to Hogan. As i said, if Hogan was a racist, he was a very bad racist as many black wrestlers thrived and flourished under Hogan's watch.
a lot of pro jim crowe segregationists put on black jazz artists in the 30s and 40s... do u think that means they didn't hold racist views?
that's called a false equivalence
u can even like a race or be indifferent to them and still think they're inferior .. just because hulk put on black wrestlers doesn't mean he didn't inherently see them as inferior and dumber .. which is still racism
you think racism is black and white .. it's not. i know u really love hulk and u want him to think highly of black people. but his actions show that he saw black people as inferior .. no spin will change this
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a lot of pro jim crowe segregationists put on black jazz artists in the 30s and 40s... do u think that means they didn't hold racist views?
that's called a false equivalence
u can even like a race or be indifferent to them and still think they're inferior .. just because hulk put on black wrestlers doesn't mean he didn't inherently see them as inferior and dumber .. which is still racism
you think racism is black and white .. it's not. i know u really love hulk and u want him to think highly of black people. but his actions show that he saw black people as inferior .. no spin will change this
Yeah but you’re pushing a pretty hard line Sccit. I mean, I’m not saying that you ain’t kicking facts—because technically if you believe another race is inferior then that would by definition make you a racist. And obviously you could think another race was inferior and still have friends in that race.
The problem is just that term is so loaded. And once society has branded you a racist they can forget all your accomplishments, cancel you, and it’s as if you never did anything positive in your life. They’ve done it to the Founding Fathers of America, and they’ve even done stuff like removed guys legacy from the MLB hall of fame on account of them allegedly being racist.
And Hogan was removed for a period from the WWE for this racism issue. But how you gonna remove Hogan from the WWE, Hogan IS the WWE. Vince tied himself to Hogan and the company ran with Hogan from being small house shows in shithole town and territories like Kansas City to being a global phenomenon.
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Yeah but you’re pushing a pretty hard line Sccit. I mean, I’m not saying that you ain’t kicking facts—because technically if you believe another race is inferior then that would by definition make you a racist. And obviously you could think another race was inferior and still have friends in that race.
The problem is just that term is so loaded. And once society has branded you a racist they can forget all your accomplishments, cancel you, and it’s as if you never did anything positive in your life. They’ve done it to the Founding Fathers of America, and they’ve even done stuff like removed guys legacy from the MLB hall of fame on account of them allegedly being racist.
And Hogan was removed for a period from the WWE for this racism issue. But how you gonna remove Hogan from the WWE, Hogan IS the WWE. Vince tied himself to Hogan and the company ran with Hogan from being small house shows in shithole town and territories like Kansas City to being a global phenomenon.
all good.. i'm just speaking facts, not feelings
i'm all for acknowledging people's greatness in passing, regardless of shortcomings
we're all flawed in one way or another
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all good.. i'm just speaking facts, not feelings
i'm all for acknowledging people's greatness in passing, regardless of shortcomings
we're all flawed in one way or another
Well, i'm not changing your mind, but Hogan was the worst racist ever because so many black wrestlers flourished under Hogan, that's facts, not feelings. Dennis Rodman was another black celebrity who came out recently saying how great of a man Hogan was, and he worked with Hogan for many years. Again, terrible racist that Hogan was, he didn't understand what being a racist was all about apparently.
So it's one of those things where 'if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, does it make a sound?".
Again, call him a racist if it makes you feel better (feelings), but his actions certainly did not reflect a racist's actions (facts). Again, maybe he's just really bad at being a racist. We'll have to go that route since you are adamant you are correct in your assessment.
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Well, i'm not changing your mind, but Hogan was the worst racist ever because so many black wrestlers flourished under Hogan, that's facts, not feelings. Dennis Rodman was another black celebrity who came out recently saying how great of a man Hogan was, and he worked with Hogan for many years. Again, terrible racist that Hogan was, he didn't understand what being a racist was all about apparently.
So it's one of those things where 'if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, does it make a sound?".
Again, call him a racist if it makes you feel better (feelings), but his actions certainly did not reflect a racist's actions (facts). Again, maybe he's just really bad at being a racist. We'll have to go that route since you are adamant you are correct in your assessment.
what is so hard for you to undersrand? you just love arguing, huh?
you can think someone is less than you based on race (this is still racism) and still help them flourish
you are not addressing what i'm saying .. you're just repeating the same argument that i already shot down
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what is so hard for you to undersrand? you just love arguing, huh?
you can think someone is less than you based on race (this is still racism) and still help them flourish
you are not addressing what i'm saying .. you're just repeating the same argument that i already shot down
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Cool, like i said, Hogan clearly helped the race flourish, FACTS. What Hogan truly thought of a race, only he knows. For you to come on here and say you know how Hogan FEELS, totally ridiculous. Mr. "I deal in facts, not feelings". You don't know Hogan's feelings. No one does except him.
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Cool, like i said, Hogan clearly helped the race flourish, FACTS. What Hogan truly thought of a race, only he knows. For you to come on here and say you know how Hogan FEELS, totally ridiculous. Mr. "I deal in facts, not feelings". You don't know Hogan's feelings. No one does except him.
pretty sure he literally said what he thought, plain n simple
"i don't want my daughter dating a nigger.. it's a bad look. yes i'm
a little racist, fucking niggers"
you tryin too hard
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pretty sure he literally said what he thought, plain n simple
"i don't want my daughter dating a nigger.. it's a bad look. yes i'm
a little racist, fucking niggers"
you tryin too hard
Again, you're dealing in FEELINGS, not FACTS. FACTUALLY it is impossible to know how someone feels. Very simple logic that you are having difficulty following. You cannot make a FACTUAL statement about how someone FEELS. Have you not watched any legal proceedings at all?? The witnesses are never allowed to say how someone feels, the judge always says 'don't tell me how they feel, tell me the facts'.
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Again, you're dealing in FEELINGS, not FACTS. FACTUALLY it is impossible to know how someone feels. Very simple logic that you are having difficulty following. You cannot make a FACTUAL statement about how someone FEELS. Have you not watched any legal proceedings at all?? The witnesses are never allowed to say how someone feels, the judge always says 'don't tell me how they feel, tell me the facts'.
what feelings, dude? are u trolling me right now??
i'm telling u what he literally said word for word
so now taking his word on what he says is based on "feelings"??
ur losin it homie
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On the strength of Doggy Siavash post I went back and listened to “Survive Another Day”. I used to like that song and it’s not far from being a banger. It just barely misses the mark, but still a good song.
Kurupt Verse: Not bad, but not Dogg Food level either, just mid
Slip Capone Verse: Slip wins the track. Best verse.
Gonzoe: Verse was wack and over-done, but his adlibs are okay, it’s like Nation of Islam cadence with the adlibs, like a preacher
Beat: Solid
Chorus: Dope, perfect for the track
Overall - 6.5 out of 10 one of the keeper tracks for the album (def not filler)
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On the strength of Doggy Siavash post I went back and listened to “Survive Another Day”. I used to like that song and it’s not far from being a banger. It just barely misses the mark, but still a good song.
Kurupt Verse: Not bad, but not Dogg Food level either, just mid
Slip Capone Verse: Slip wins the track. Best verse.
Gonzoe: Verse was wack and over-done, but his adlibs are okay, it’s like Nation of Islam cadence with the adlibs, like a preacher
Beat: Solid
Chorus: Dope, perfect for the track
Overall - 6.5 out of 10 one of the keeper tracks for the album (def not filler)
interesting thing about that track for the longest I didn't really know that Battlecat produced it...I would ask sometimes on the forum and I would get DJ Muggs alot so I just went with it...years later I found out that Cat did it...It makes sense now, not to take anything away from Muggs who is dope in his own right but Cat is on another level
the album ends strong with "Thats Gangsta" followed by the 2 bonus tracks, this and "Ask Yourself A Question"
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interesting thing about that track for the longest I didn't really know that Battlecat produced it...I would ask sometimes on the forum and I would get DJ Muggs alot so I just went with it...years later I found out that Cat did it...It makes sense now, not to take anything away from Muggs who is dope in his own right but Cat is on another level
the album ends strong with "Thats Gangsta" followed by the 2 bonus tracks, this and "Ask Yourself A Question"
yeah, you are on point as always,
I always felt the album ended very well. With Warren G's joint, and then "Another Day" and then Dre's monster certified banger! It would have looked so nice though on the album layout, and over all theme, they had 10 and 10. So 10 tracks on West disc and 10 on East. If the album had been delayed and they had cut 2 filler tracks from the WC cd and replaced them with tracks 11 and 12, that would have really changed the overall look of the album. Get rid of that intro where you got to skip all the way to the track like on RRGB, what were they doing copying Bad Boy and Life After Death? "Kick in the Door"?? etc
no intro
1. "This Ones For U"
2. "Make Some Noise"
3. "Put That On Something"
4. "Play My Cards"
5. "We Can Freak It"
6. "Freash"
7. "C-Walk"
8. "That's Gangsta"
9. "Survive Another Day"
10. "Ask Yourself the Question"
That changes the overall look of the album if that's your West Coast disc!
Battlecat was to Kuruption what Fred Wreck was to Space Boogie. Battlecat was the go-to guy, and we all really took note when he had that nice cameo in "We Can Freak It" supplying Kurupt with just what he needed to set off the album.
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yeah, you are on point as always,
I always felt the album ended very well. With Warren G's joint, and then "Another Day" and then Dre's monster certified banger! It would have looked so nice though on the album layout, and over all theme, they had 10 and 10. So 10 tracks on West disc and 10 on East. If the album had been delayed and they had cut 2 filler tracks from the WC cd and replaced them with tracks 11 and 12, that would have really changed the overall look of the album. Get rid of that intro where you got to skip all the way to the track like on RRGB, what were they doing copying Bad Boy and Life After Death? "Kick in the Door"?? etc
no intro
1. "This Ones For U"
2. "Make Some Noise"
3. "Put That On Something"
4. "Play My Cards"
5. "We Can Freak It"
6. "Freash"
7. "C-Walk"
8. "That's Gangsta"
9. "Survive Another Day"
10. "Ask Yourself the Question"
That changes the overall look of the album if that's your West Coast disc!
Battlecat was to Kuruption what Fred Wreck was to Space Boogie. Battlecat was the go-to guy, and we all really took note when he had that nice cameo in "We Can Freak It" supplying Kurupt with just what he needed to set off the album.
yeah the 2 songs I would have left out are the ones you did as well
the OG "Ho's A Housewife"...the credits say Kurupt produced this but I don't know
"Cant Let That Slide" - a song dissing Nas that went sideways...had the chance to be classic if Kurupt was on his A game
he did have that one line "You little chipped tooth muthafucka, you about to get slapped, like a muthafuckin bitch for that"
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yeah the 2 songs I would have left out are the ones you did as well
the OG "Ho's A Housewife"...the credits say Kurupt produced this but I don't know
"Cant Let That Slide" - a song dissing Nas that went sideways...had the chance to be classic if Kurupt was on his A game
he did have that one line "You little chipped tooth muthafucka, you about to get slapped, like a muthafuckin bitch for that"
Can you imagine all these years and I’m supposed to know everything about Kurupt and Nas my favorite East Coast rapper and I’m just now finding this out. Going to have to re-listen to that track again today.
Also, imagine if the West disc was beefed up with the Dre updated version of “Hos a Housewife” which eventually ended up on Kurupt’s Sophmore LP—but again shows how close Kurupt was to having a platinum, classic debut
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Can you imagine all these years and I’m supposed to know everything about Kurupt and Nas my favorite East Coast rapper and I’m just now finding this out. Going to have to re-listen to that track again today.
Also, imagine if the West disc was beefed up with the Dre updated version of “Hos a Housewife” which eventually ended up on Kurupt’s Sophmore LP—but again shows how close Kurupt was to having a platinum, classic debut
yeah Nas was quoted in Vibe around the time The Firm album came out in ‘97 that he thought Kurupt wasn’t good for Foxy because he was a “thug”…Kurupt then responded with the subsequent diss track…Nas to my knowledge never addressed it however
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yeah Nas was quoted in Vibe around the time The Firm album came out in ‘97 that he thought Kurupt wasn’t good for Foxy because he was a “thug”…Kurupt then responded with the subsequent diss track…Nas to my knowledge never addressed it however
Listened again.. certainly gives a bump in stature to the track and to the album now that I caught the Nas diss
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Listened again.. certainly gives a bump in stature to the track and to the album now that I caught the Nas diss
I think its pretty safe to say then that the only thing missing from the West disc being classic is the "Ho's A Housewife" remix which interestingly enough was on the "Ask Yourself A Question" CD single
https://www.discogs.com/master/125785-Kurupt-Ask-Yourself-A-Question-Hos-A-Housewife-Remix
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I think its pretty safe to say then that the only thing missing from the West disc being classic is the "Ho's A Housewife" remix which interestingly enough was on the "Ask Yourself A Question" CD single
https://www.discogs.com/master/125785-Kurupt-Ask-Yourself-A-Question-Hos-A-Housewife-Remix
Great find. Homie I got to give you major props. I thought I was the expert on the Kuruption!! album since it was pretty much all I thought about for months until it was released, and about all I listened to (along with Bad Azz Word on the Streetz) in the months after it was released.
But you have gotten me twice in succession. First, the revelation of a Nas diss being on the album. Second, this revelation of "Hoes a Housewife" being on the "Ask Yourself A Question" single.
In some ways it doesn't surprise me, because everyone always wants to work with Dre, and Kurupt had the connection from Death Row to Dre, but Dre had sort of distanced himself from the Death Row guys during the Aftermath, Firm, and Bullworth period. But then, he started calling them again, so last minute, as Kurupt is already set to release Kuruption!! Dre calls him to come put in a bit of work for Dre's second album.
And during those sessions they record "Hoes A Housewife"—so now it becomes a favor for a favor situation. So Kurupt gets "Ask Yourself A Question" for his album, but Dre's always late and slow so it didn't make the liner notes and tracklist.
So that part makes sense^^. The part that doesn't make sense is how did we not hear "Hoes a Housewife" remix until Dre's second album? Because this means it was floating around as early as late 98 or early 99 and should have been on all those original West Coast Rap Websites like Dre Day and Snoop'sDogghouse. Do you remember hearing it a long time before Dre's second album was released in November 1999?
Btw, I have to keep saying "Dre's Second Album" because calling it 2001 is confusing because it was released in 1999. Seriously the worst album title ever.
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Great find. Homie I got to give you major props. I thought I was the expert on the Kuruption!! album since it was pretty much all I thought about for months until it was released, and about all I listened to (along with Bad Azz Word on the Streetz) in the months after it was released.
But you have gotten twice in succession. First, the revelation of a Nas diss being on the album. Second, this revelation of "Hoes a Housewife" being on the "Ask Yourself A Question" single.
In some ways it doesn't surprise me, because everyone always wants to work with Dre, and Kurupt had the connection from Death Row to Dre, but Dre had sort of distanced himself from the Death Row guys during the Aftermath, Firm, and Bullworth period. But then, he started calling them again, so last minute, as Kurupt is already set to release Kuruption!! Dre calls him to come put in a bit of work for Dre's second album.
And during those sessions they record "Hoes A Housewife"—so now it becomes a favor for a favor situation. So Kurupt gets "Ask Yourself A Question" for his album, but Dre's always late and slow so it didn't make the liner notes and tracklist.
So that part makes sense^^. The part that doesn't make sense is how did we not hear "Hoes a Housewife" remix until Dre's second album? Because this means it was floating around as early as late 98 or early 99 and should have been on all those original West Coast Rap Websites like Dre Day and Snoop'sDogghouse. Do you remember hearing it a long time before Dre's second album was released in November 1999?
Btw, I have to keep saying "Dre's Second Album" because calling it 2001 is confusing because it was released in 1999. Seriously the worst album title ever.
it's supposed to be "the chronic 2001"
the album was originally to be titled "the chronic 2000" but suge got a wind of that and beat him to the punch
classic suge rolling
so dre went and called his "the chronic 2001" .. which was later shortened to "2001"
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Great find. Homie I got to give you major props. I thought I was the expert on the Kuruption!! album since it was pretty much all I thought about for months until it was released, and about all I listened to (along with Bad Azz Word on the Streetz) in the months after it was released.
But you have gotten twice in succession. First, the revelation of a Nas diss being on the album. Second, this revelation of "Hoes a Housewife" being on the "Ask Yourself A Question" single.
In some ways it doesn't surprise me, because everyone always wants to work with Dre, and Kurupt had the connection from Death Row to Dre, but Dre had sort of distanced himself from the Death Row guys during the Aftermath, Firm, and Bullworth period. But then, he started calling them again, so last minute, as Kurupt is already set to release Kuruption!! Dre calls him to come put in a bit of work for Dre's second album.
And during those sessions they record "Hoes A Housewife"—so now it becomes a favor for a favor situation. So Kurupt gets "Ask Yourself A Question" for his album, but Dre's always late and slow so it didn't make the liner notes and tracklist.
So that part makes sense^^. The part that doesn't make sense is how did we not hear "Hoes a Housewife" remix until Dre's second album? Because this means it was floating around as early as late 98 or early 99 and should have been on all those original West Coast Rap Websites like Dre Day and Snoop'sDogghouse. Do you remember hearing it a long time before Dre's second album was released in November 1999?
Btw, I have to keep saying "Dre's Second Album" because calling it 2001 is confusing because it was released in 1999. Seriously the worst album title ever.
I’m gonna have to disagree with you here. 2001 was a sick ass title on many different levels. As you said it was released in 99 so already we have this theme that it’s music from the future. Music ahead of its time. Then you have the connection to the Kubrick movie 2001 a space odyssey and with all the futuristic space like sounds Dre was using then it really worked I thought. And the fact that this was the album that changed the sound of hip hop again and the best mixed and mastered album ever only added to it.
So yeah. Not worst album title ever. Not even close.
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Great find. Homie I got to give you major props. I thought I was the expert on the Kuruption!! album since it was pretty much all I thought about for months until it was released, and about all I listened to (along with Bad Azz Word on the Streetz) in the months after it was released.
But you have gotten twice in succession. First, the revelation of a Nas diss being on the album. Second, this revelation of "Hoes a Housewife" being on the "Ask Yourself A Question" single.
In some ways it doesn't surprise me, because everyone always wants to work with Dre, and Kurupt had the connection from Death Row to Dre, but Dre had sort of distanced himself from the Death Row guys during the Aftermath, Firm, and Bullworth period. But then, he started calling them again, so last minute, as Kurupt is already set to release Kuruption!! Dre calls him to come put in a bit of work for Dre's second album.
And during those sessions they record "Hoes A Housewife"—so now it becomes a favor for a favor situation. So Kurupt gets "Ask Yourself A Question" for his album, but Dre's always late and slow so it didn't make the liner notes and tracklist.
So that part makes sense^^. The part that doesn't make sense is how did we not hear "Hoes a Housewife" remix until Dre's second album? Because this means it was floating around as early as late 98 or early 99 and should have been on all those original West Coast Rap Websites like Dre Day and Snoop'sDogghouse. Do you remember hearing it a long time before Dre's second album was released in November 1999?
Btw, I have to keep saying "Dre's Second Album" because calling it 2001 is confusing because it was released in 1999. Seriously the worst album title ever.
I don't remember hearing the remix until both Dre's and Kurupts albums dropped that same day...I remember the date too, November 16, 1999 lol
I never heard it floating around on the sites either, although I was not really that savvy in finding music that was leaked back then
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it's supposed to be "the chronic 2001"
the album was originally to be titled "the chronic 2000" but suge got a wind of that and beat him to the punch
classic suge rolling
so dre went and called his "the chronic 2001" .. which was later shortened to "2001"
Yeah, which is horrible album title. "2001". Try using that in a conversation it will automatically cause confusion.
"I like the 2001 tracks"
"Oh cool, yeah, that was a good year in music, Eastsidaz Dueces and Treys and Nas Stillmatic."
"No, I'm talking about the album "2001" by Dr. Dre."
"Dre didn't release an album in 2001"
...it almost becomes like Abbot and Costello bit "who's on first"
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I’m gonna have to disagree with you here. 2001 was a sick ass title on many different levels. As you said it was released in 99 so already we have this theme that it’s music from the future. Music ahead of its time. Then you have the connection to the Kubrick movie 2001 a space odyssey and with all the futuristic space like sounds Dre was using then it really worked I thought. And the fact that this was the album that changed the sound of hip hop again and the best mixed and mastered album ever only added to it.
So yeah. Not worst album title ever. Not even close.
but that's you coming up with all those creative defenses for the album title, but yet Dre, to my knowledge, has never said those things. I'm not saying it's not true, I'm just saying, Dre never said all that. So he didn't even care enough to speak on it.
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Yeah, which is horrible album title. "2001". Try using that in a conversation it will automatically cause confusion.
"I like the 2001 tracks"
"Oh cool, yeah, that was a good year in music, Eastsidaz Dueces and Treys and Nas Stillmatic."
"No, I'm talking about the album "2001" by Dr. Dre."
"Dre didn't release an album in 2001"
...it almost becomes like Abbot and Costello bit "who's on first"
Said no one ever. 2001 is an iconic album. Everyone knows what 2001 is. Anyone who doesn’t know is a goofy nerd or ignorant asshole
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Said no one ever. 2001 is an iconic album. Everyone knows what 2001 is. Anyone who doesn’t know is a goofy nerd or ignorant asshole
okay go try it then.. just say casually in conversation to someone that "2001" is one of your favorites.
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okay go try it then.. just say casually in conversation to someone that "2001" is one of your favorites.
Ok difference is I’m in California and you’re in the Arab gulf so results may vary. Sccit is coming over in an hour so I’ll have him film me approach random strangers. Let’s try it out
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Ok difference is I’m in California and you’re in the Arab gulf so results may vary. Sccit is coming over in an hour so I’ll have him film me approach random strangers. Let’s try it out
That would be dope if you got thru with it. And you have to state it like this.
You can set it up by asking, “what’s your favorite music?”
Then reply to their answer saying, “2001 has gotta be up there as one of my favorites”
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I agree with infinite again. Album title could be smth else better than 2001. But i have more problem with the album cover. Is it suge knight's fault too? )))
Although worst album cover and a confusing meaningless album title, the chronic 2001 (actually thats what everybody calls it that way instead 2001) was sooo fucking good to make people doesnt care about the cover or title.
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The full story is it was supposed to be called Chronic 2000, Suge beat him to the punch. Dre changed it to Chronic 2001, but the lawyers felt actually calling it Chronic 2001 was too close to Chronic 2000 and could create confusion in the marketplace and actually give Suge more sales and possible lawsuit material, as Dre already had to sue Suge for having the Dre vocals originally on Chronic 2000 and he was forced to remove them. So, Dre's team creatively came up with the idea to put a Chronic leaf, followed by the '2001'. But make no mistake, the album was always supposed to be called Chronic 2001. On the song 'Light Speed' it they lyrics even say Chronic 2001.
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Lets get back to real issue. Kuruption.
Problem is quantity over quality.
It should be one disc, a side is west coast and b side is east coast.
I dont agree who says east coast disc was unnecessary.
Because, before the east-west beef kurupt was mentioning he is an east coast rapper a few times. He was one of a few lyricists on the west coast and he was trying show his skills to east coast to gain respect to his pen. When you compare his lyrics on east disc with west disc. He is more lyrical, different flows and complexed rhyme shemes. So i understand why he came up with an east coast disc. But only a b side would be enough. Same as west disc, too many fillers.
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The full story is it was supposed to be called Chronic 2000, Suge beat him to the punch. Dre changed it to Chronic 2001, but the lawyers felt actually calling it Chronic 2001 was too close to Chronic 2000 and could create confusion in the marketplace and actually give Suge more sales and possible lawsuit material, as Dre already had to sue Suge for having the Dre vocals originally on Chronic 2000 and he was forced to remove them. So, Dre's team creatively came up with the idea to put a Chronic leaf, followed by the '2001'. But make no mistake, the album was always supposed to be called Chronic 2001. On the song 'Light Speed' it they lyrics even say Chronic 2001.
Also known as chronic 2001: no seeds
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvt26QNZheLrxjvyutT8LSpxaz4NKG5fVI1Tkll33mchVMLYuBDvMEe45Z&s=10)
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Lets get back to real issue. Kuruption.
Problem is quantity over quality.
It should be one disc, a side is west coast and b side is east coast.
I dont agree who says east coast disc was unnecessary.
Because, before the east-west beef kurupt was mentioning he is an east coast rapper a few times. He was one of a few lyricists on the west coast and he was trying show his skills to east coast to gain respect to his pen. When you compare his lyrics on east disc with west disc. He is more lyrical, different flows and complexed rhyme shemes. So i understand why he came up with an east coast disc. But only a b side would be enough. Same as west disc, too many fillers.
I don’t know man. I agree with you about his east coast lyrical MCing as evident by the “Tru Master” verse and his “You Know My Steez” remix verse that same ‘98 year. But on the East Coast disc I don’t hear anything resembling that. Mostly him just freestyling and very little writing similar to the West disc. The difference being the West disc had very dope production as well as great guest spots and 2 all time west coast anthems “We Can Freak It” and “C-walk”
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The full story is it was supposed to be called Chronic 2000, Suge beat him to the punch. Dre changed it to Chronic 2001, but the lawyers felt actually calling it Chronic 2001 was too close to Chronic 2000 and could create confusion in the marketplace and actually give Suge more sales and possible lawsuit material, as Dre already had to sue Suge for having the Dre vocals originally on Chronic 2000 and he was forced to remove them. So, Dre's team creatively came up with the idea to put a Chronic leaf, followed by the '2001'. But make no mistake, the album was always supposed to be called Chronic 2001. On the song 'Light Speed' it they lyrics even say Chronic 2001.
the 1 on light speed was added later
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I agree with infinite again. Album title could be smth else better than 2001. But i have more problem with the album cover. Is it suge knight's fault too? )))
Although worst album cover and a confusing meaningless album title, the chronic 2001 (actually thats what everybody calls it that way instead 2001) was sooo fucking good to make people doesnt care about the cover or title.
Word.
And notice, you even had to change the title to mention it at the forum. I often do the same thing too. I'll refer to it as "Dre's second solo". And like HighEyecue said, sometimes they say "Dre 2001" and sometimes they say, "Dr. Dre 2001".
And also saying "2001" isn't actually like that futuristic. The first year of the new millenium is 2000. So if you want to give it millennium significance (which is a big deal) then you need to say 2000. Saying 2001 doesn't make it more futuristic. It just makes it more confusing.
And yeah.. what's with the cover. It was like just plain black cover. And this is Dre we are talking about. If Dre doesn't have the idea then he finds the right guy with the right idea. They couldn't come up with any good idea for the title and cover—they just gave up after Suge punked him
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Word.
And notice, you even had to change the title to mention it at the forum. I often do the same thing too. I'll refer to it as "Dre's second solo". And like HighEyecue said, sometimes they say "Dre 2001" and sometimes they say, "Dr. Dre 2001".
And also saying "2001" isn't actually like that futuristic. The first year of the new millenium is 2000. So if you want to give it millennium significance (which is a big deal) then you need to say 2000. Saying 2001 doesn't make it more futuristic. It just makes it more confusing.
And yeah.. what's with the cover. It was like just plain black cover. And this is Dre we are talking about. If Dre doesn't have the idea then he finds the right guy with the right idea. They couldn't come up with any good idea for the title and cover—they just gave up after Suge punked him
naah .. the new millennium started on 2001
can't start something on 0
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was listening to the West Coast Disc last night and caught a Will Smith diss that I had almost forgotten about
On "Fresh" there's a line "You know I'm the rawest MC with it, Fuck jiggy nigga, I'm DP with it"
DP as in Dogg Pound, Daz and Kurupt ;D
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was listening to the West Coast Disc last night and caught a Will Smith diss that I had almost forgotten about
On "Fresh" there's a line "You know I'm the rawest MC with it, Fuck jiggy nigga, I'm DP with it"
DP as in Dogg Pound, Daz and Kurupt ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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naah .. the new millennium started on 2001
can't start something on 0
you just blew my mind again (it's above my ability to comprehend)
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was listening to the West Coast Disc last night and caught a Will Smith diss that I had almost forgotten about
On "Fresh" there's a line "You know I'm the rawest MC with it, Fuck jiggy nigga, I'm DP with it"
DP as in Dogg Pound, Daz and Kurupt ;D
;D ;D
That line I caught, but I didn't take it as a Will Smith diss.
I suppose it depends on the intent behind it, and the relationship between Will Smith and the Dogg Pound. I've never heard either side speak on anything, but my guess is they probably hung out at some parties together and they are at the awards shows together so they are probably cool with each other. But could be. Remember, Will Smith blew up that summer with all those shitty pop songs like "Miama" (which I think Nas wrote for him) and of course "Gettin Jiggy With It" a painful song they never stopped playing. But I did like the summer 98' hit video "Just the Two of Us". The line:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WamkRSDeD8&list=RD_WamkRSDeD8&start_radio=1
One day some girl's gonna break your heart son/
Ain't no pain like the opposite sex/
but don't take it out on the next one"
Too bad I didn't heed that advice, because I started acting like a dickhead to all girls after my first heartbreak and couldn't even get laid in my physical prime of age 19—I still marvel at the fact I went the entire age 19 without getting laid once. But Will Smith's son ended up even worse than me... that dude fantasizing about Tyler the Creator these days, smh
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the 1 on light speed was added later
Yup it sure was, cause it originally said Chronic 2000 before all that stuff with Suge popped off, so they added the ONE in there.
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Yup it sure was, cause it originally said Chronic 2000 before all that stuff with Suge popped off, so they added the ONE in there.
no.. I thought it was because of the genius Dre and how next level he was and the 1 is actually the first year of the millennium ::) (not 2,000 like I've thought all this time)
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;D ;D
That line I caught, but I didn't take it as a Will Smith diss.
I suppose it depends on the intent behind it, and the relationship between Will Smith and the Dogg Pound. I've never heard either side speak on anything, but my guess is they probably hung out at some parties together and they are at the awards shows together so they are probably cool with each other. But could be. Remember, Will Smith blew up that summer with all those shitty pop songs like "Miama" (which I think Nas wrote for him) and of course "Gettin Jiggy With It" a painful song they never stopped playing. But I did like the summer 98' hit video "Just the Two of Us". The line:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WamkRSDeD8&list=RD_WamkRSDeD8&start_radio=1
One day some girl's gonna break your heart son/
Ain't no pain like the opposite sex/
but don't take it out on the next one"
Too bad I didn't heed that advice, because I started acting like a dickhead to all girls after my first heartbreak and couldn't even get laid in my physical prime of age 19—I still marvel at the fact I went the entire age 19 without getting laid once. But Will Smith's son ended up even worse than me... that dude fantasizing about Tyler the Creator these days, smh
yeah I think Nas was in the studio for several sessions of "Big Willie Style" and wound up contributing to multiple songs....it could be that Will was just guilty by association when it came to Kurupts diss as he was going hard at Nas during that period...it also could be just the "jiggy" era that Will helped usher in, which also Bad Boy was a part of
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yeah I think Nas was in the studio for several sessions of "Big Willie Style" and wound up contributing to multiple songs....it could be that Will was just guilty by association when it came to Kurupts diss as he was going hard at Nas during that period...it also could be just the "jiggy" era that Will helped usher in, which also Bad Boy was a part of
yea not really a diss .. he just proppin up his click more than anythin
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gave the East disc another shot yesterday...unfortunately nothing has changed
Light Shit Up - nice beat by Easy Mo Bee and Buckshot has always been a favorite of mine
We Can Freak It Out - dope track with Nore probably my favorite track on this side
Game - dope beat by D-Moet and Kurupt flows over it well
The Life - another D-Moet production nice mellow track with Kurupt and Drex trading rhymes about their days in Philly
the rest range from ehh to pretty trash
the thing that gets me though is how an artist the artist the caliber of Kurupt could not get a beat from a Pete Rock or Premier
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gave the East disc another shot yesterday...unfortunately nothing has changed
Light Shit Up - nice beat by Easy Mo Bee and Buckshot has always been a favorite of mine
We Can Freak It Out - dope track with Nore probably my favorite track on this side
Game - dope beat by D-Moet and Kurupt flows over it well
The Life - another D-Moet production nice mellow track with Kurupt and Drex trading rhymes about their days in Philly
the rest range from ehh to pretty trash
the thing that gets me though is how an artist the artist the caliber of Kurupt could not get a beat from a Pete Rock or Premier
east disc is his worst shit to date
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east disc is his worst shit to date
I never cared much for the Death Row version of ATG either but its better than this
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I never cared much for the Death Row version of ATG either but its better than this
Against the Grain isn't even listenable.
You can listen to the East Coast disc, because he got offered beats but all the top producers on the East Coast around that rhyme. It's just hubris that he didn't put in effort to master the lyrics and songs, and clearly the magic was gone from Dogg Food where he was coming up with lyrics on every track that were both harder than any shit on the market and also more lyrical than anything on the market. Suge, Dre, and Snoop had a fucking battery in his back that made him a genius in those days.
East Coast Disc > Against the Grain
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Against the Grain isn't even listenable.
You can listen to the East Coast disc, because he got offered beats but all the top producers on the East Coast around that rhyme. It's just hubris that he didn't put in effort to master the lyrics and songs, and clearly the magic was gone from Dogg Food where he was coming up with lyrics on every track that were both harder than any shit on the market and also more lyrical than anything on the market. Suge, Dre, and Snoop had a fucking battery in his back that made him a genius in those days.
East Coast Disc > Against the Grain
i gota revisit the death row version of against the grain .. the dpg records version was definitely > east coast disc
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i gota revisit the death row version of against the grain .. the dpg records version was definitely > east coast disc
it had some bangers...the production by Mark Sparks was solid
the OG version with the diss tracks that Death Row later leaked was doper than the actual retail though
but the DPG version was the best one..."I Keep Tryin" was my joint, first heard on a D-Shot comp album in '98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASwD3aeSI8c&list=RDASwD3aeSI8c&start_radio=1
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it had some bangers...the production by Mark Sparks was solid
the OG version with the diss tracks that Death Row later leaked was doper than the actual retail though
but the DPG version was the best one..."I Keep Tryin" was my joint, first heard on a D-Shot comp album in '98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASwD3aeSI8c&list=RDASwD3aeSI8c&start_radio=1
yeah this joint is kind of dope, but I'm not really aware of different versions of Against the Grain, I just know whatever the shit was that I heard, I quickly just said Kurupt don't have it anymore, and didn't really investigate more deeply than that.
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yeah this joint is kind of dope, but I'm not really aware of different versions of Against the Grain, I just know whatever the shit was that I heard, I quickly just said Kurupt don't have it anymore, and didn't really investigate more deeply than that.
It was an EP after Kurupt and Daz squashed their beef…it contained mostly diss tracks that were left off the retail and another slower R&B flavored song featuring Danny Boy
https://www.discogs.com/release/7253388-Kurupt-Against-Tha-Grain-Tha-EP
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It was an EP after Kurupt and Daz squashed their beef…it contained mostly diss tracks that were left off the retail and another slower R&B flavored song featuring Danny Boy
https://www.discogs.com/release/7253388-Kurupt-Against-Tha-Grain-Tha-EP
this is the OG
https://www.discogs.com/master/543082-Kurupt-Against-The-Grain
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In Europa Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha.. Was Censored
Clean Version.
Thats No. 1 Big Ass L Taken
Otherwise Better Than Kuruption.
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In Europa Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha.. Was Censored
Clean Version.
Thats No. 1 Big Ass L Taken
Otherwise Better Than Kuruption.
what?????
yall didn't get the dirty version there?????
lol
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what?????
yall didn't get the dirty version there?????
lol
Copies ive come across was all clean.
"Callin Out Names" censored ROFL
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Copies ive come across was all clean.
"Callin Out Names" censored ROFL
In Europa Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha.. Was Censored
Clean Version.
Thats No. 1 Big Ass L Taken
Otherwise Better Than Kuruption.
thats wild :o
I have both versions...I actually have been looking for the clean version of "Kuruption!" for about 20 years now just to have it in my collection
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thats wild :o
I have both versions...I actually have been looking for the clean version of "Kuruption!" for about 20 years now just to have it in my collection
Why do uou think it was censored?
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Why do uou think it was censored?
Europe is different
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probably a mistake with the shipment imo
doubt it was intentional
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probably a mistake with the shipment imo
doubt it was intentional
yeah you’re probably right..:it seems both versions were available
https://www.discogs.com/release/437379-Kurupt-Tha-Streetz-Iz-A-Mutha
https://www.discogs.com/release/11434112-Kurupt-Tha-Streetz-Iz-A-Mutha